• DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    You recall that Hamas attacked Israel in the bloodiest assault in history, right?

    You guys make me embarrassed to call myself a lefty.

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      10 months ago

      Well gee, that sure does give Isreal the right to do ethnic cleansing. It’s self defense after all so everything is permissible. /s

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          10 months ago

          And you inserted your own pro-Hamas

          Saying that Isreal shouldn’t be killing civilians and doing ethnic cleansing is not pro-Hamas.

          Neither party should be doing those things.

          You can be against the Israeli government’s war crimes AND against Hamas’ war crimes.

          I am.

          Try it, having principals instead of an agenda is freeing and might feel good to you.

          Perhaps you could try not assuming the worst out of people you don’t know.

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              10 months ago

              it reads like whataboutism.

              If you have problems with me saying ‘Isreal’s crimes are wrong’ without clarification about Hamas being bad as well then you should have first had problems with the guy saying “Hamas attacked Israel in the bloodiest assault in history”, implying everything Isreal is doing is morally permissible.

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                  10 months ago

                  Why do you pretend everybody is stupid? People know the history. They know the attack didn’t happen in a vacuum. They can also think it’s bad.

                  As a result of this they can tell when somebody is doing atrocity propaganda to defend and aid in Israel’s impunity to kill thousands of Palestinians.

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                    10 months ago

                    This person regularly engages in insidious faux-intellectual Islamaphobia and then hides behind a “hurr durr I also think Netanyahu bad, why do you love hamas so much” when pressed at all. Every single time I’ve seen them call out a specific user for antisemitism it’s been them conflating anti Zionism with antisemitism. It’s simultaneously excusing genocide and watering down antisemitism to being a meaningless term.

                    It’s blatant, embarassing, and morally bankrupt.

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          10 months ago

          But you Hamas supporters

          I don’t support Hamas.

          and only care about Palestine because they’re brown

          No, I’m just against ethnic cleansing, which is what Isreal is currently doing and getting billions of dollars in support for.

          Isreal shouldn’t be doing ethnic cleansing, nor should Hamas.

          Your white guilt is so fucking lame 😂

          It’s really a sign of intelligence to assume things of people you don’t know and have only ever spoken to on the internet.

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      10 months ago

      Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza though, not everyone inside Gaza is Hamas

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        10 months ago

        Speaking of, Hamas has over 1MM liters of fuel, and ample supplies of fresh water, that they refuse to distribute in Gaza. They also refuse to return hostages, which would also immediately lift the siege.

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-photos-show-half-million-liters-of-fuel-held-by-hamas/

        Edit to add:

        The reason they stockpiled so much is their tunnel ventilation systems run on generators (which is also the reason Israel is trying to deny them fuel, because tunnel fighting is a nightmare and that’s what is coming)

        https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-770123

        Here’s a great video with more info https://www.youtube.com/live/xfc0nHLgDuY?si=8P-MddAIFXsFt-mA

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          10 months ago

          Terrible thing Hamas has done

          Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza

          Terrible thing Hamas is doing

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            10 months ago

            It’s not unreasonable to expect an enemy government to feed their people, rather than your country

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              10 months ago

              Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza

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                10 months ago

                I mean we can copy the same comments to another over and over all day if ya want.

                I’ve got 3 hrs til my plane boards

                FWIW I’d strongly support a heavily-militarized aid station set up in the south but you know as well as I do that people would still blame Israel for Hamas gunning down people headed south.

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                    Yes. Hence “heavily militarized.”

                    You seem to think this crossing is like, a single street. It is not. It’s a misleading name the same way the “Palestinian refugees camps” are really modern cities of 100k people with permanent, concrete buildings the same as any other city.

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                    10 months ago

                    Enjoy eternity, because youre just factually wrong lol