A degrowth society has to be an equitable society. Otherwise your criticism is entirely valid.
We are going to have a degrowth system regardless of any policy decisions, as the current growth system is burning through critical resources and destroying the environment. We can either plan for this, or we can have an unplanned existential civilizational crisis.
I mean we are saying the same thing… i am just saying that thinking this way is pretty elitist. There are developing african and asian countries that will soon surpass the US and EU in population. Im sure they will have the same mindset though.
My last like 5 posts on this have been sarcastic. I think its incorrect to think that environmental policy starts and stops with the west. I also think its unrealistic to think a developing country doesnt aspire to become just as waste hungry.
It’s too late for sentiments, my friend. We are not the winners of this game, but we might all be losers if we don’t reduce our habits of reckless consumption.
Yes, i have the same sentiment. I have been calling for everyone to accept higher taxes for years. Garnish wages, let the extreme wealth gap grow wider. If everyone is poor then we dont have to worry about what shiny thing to buy as long as we can get that dog meat on the table.
SO TRUE! My malnutrition living in central america has stunted my growth but if I lived on the plentiful acid you provide then some day my progeny can grow big and strong like yourself.
staying fed has always been a problem in central and south america. you can’t grow big crops without wiping out large swaths of rain forest. stop cutting down rain forests. stop following catholic traditions that encourage large families. ya’ll should be having way less kids. the ecosystem just can’t support large populations. you’d be better off going back to living in small units dependent on hunting and fishing.
sorry bro. that’s just how life works. you really don’t want what america has. cherish what you have.
I know you put a /s in there, but that’s actually spot on. It’s very difficult to convince people to give a damn about nature if they don’t have decent food, shelter and a hopeful future for their children.
Can we start with the wealth of the 1st world and give it to everyone else? Im just a poor Guatemalan man working 2 jobs to sustain my family of 8. I will spend your money buying things I dont need just as much as you but ill be happy to take your wealth.
I’m all for seeing what that looks like. I promise I have little more than you. I’m interested in stripping away excess profits and seeing what level of luxury the world gets to enjoy in an egalitarian economy.
I hate this elitist sentiment. 😒
Strong “i got mine so fuck you” type of mentality.
A degrowth society has to be an equitable society. Otherwise your criticism is entirely valid.
We are going to have a degrowth system regardless of any policy decisions, as the current growth system is burning through critical resources and destroying the environment. We can either plan for this, or we can have an unplanned existential civilizational crisis.
Degrowth for the west, let the rest of the world suffer yeaaaaaa. Everyone knows only the west matters anyways.
By equitable I meant ‘equitable for everyone’ not equitable for only the people of the core of the empire.
I mean we are saying the same thing… i am just saying that thinking this way is pretty elitist. There are developing african and asian countries that will soon surpass the US and EU in population. Im sure they will have the same mindset though.
If you don’t think corporations and governments in Africa have the same idea that there should be endless growth, I suggest you read up on them.
My last like 5 posts on this have been sarcastic. I think its incorrect to think that environmental policy starts and stops with the west. I also think its unrealistic to think a developing country doesnt aspire to become just as waste hungry.
We need equalization, which means drastic cuts for the west and massive leaps for the developing world.
Yes? If we applied degrowth to places that don’t have anything, they would die en masse.
It’s too late for sentiments, my friend. We are not the winners of this game, but we might all be losers if we don’t reduce our habits of reckless consumption.
Yes, i have the same sentiment. I have been calling for everyone to accept higher taxes for years. Garnish wages, let the extreme wealth gap grow wider. If everyone is poor then we dont have to worry about what shiny thing to buy as long as we can get that dog meat on the table.
you kids need to eat more acid.
SO TRUE! My malnutrition living in central america has stunted my growth but if I lived on the plentiful acid you provide then some day my progeny can grow big and strong like yourself.
staying fed has always been a problem in central and south america. you can’t grow big crops without wiping out large swaths of rain forest. stop cutting down rain forests. stop following catholic traditions that encourage large families. ya’ll should be having way less kids. the ecosystem just can’t support large populations. you’d be better off going back to living in small units dependent on hunting and fishing.
sorry bro. that’s just how life works. you really don’t want what america has. cherish what you have.
financial equality is so much more important than a living planet /s
I know you put a /s in there, but that’s actually spot on. It’s very difficult to convince people to give a damn about nature if they don’t have decent food, shelter and a hopeful future for their children.
e: spelling
See I have the same sentiment, yet i get downvoted. The only people screaming are the ones already in good situations.
wealth redistribution =/= unlimited growth
Can we start with the wealth of the 1st world and give it to everyone else? Im just a poor Guatemalan man working 2 jobs to sustain my family of 8. I will spend your money buying things I dont need just as much as you but ill be happy to take your wealth.
I’m all for seeing what that looks like. I promise I have little more than you. I’m interested in stripping away excess profits and seeing what level of luxury the world gets to enjoy in an egalitarian economy.