• PugJesus@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Unfortunately, you can defeat an organization like Hamas purely through violence. It’s just that the only level of violence capable of doing so demands a total genocide. Which Israel looks likely to attempt to complete while the world wrings its hands.

    The lack of interest in even an unequal peace on Israel’s part in favor of genociding Palestinians would, in an ideal world, open a great number of eyes. But I’m not particularly hopeful. People have short memories and little interest in foreign affairs.

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      10 months ago

      TLDR; The Palestinians don’t want peace.

      Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them (total of 20 offers):

      1937 - Peel commission, rejected

      1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

      2000 - Camp David, rejected

      2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

      2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

      Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

      Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

      1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

      1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

      1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

      1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

      1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

      1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

      1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

      1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

      1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

      2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

      2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

      2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

      2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

      2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

      2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

      Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.

      Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -

      None

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          10 months ago

          Thanks I removed it from the list.

          The Palestinians don’t want peace. They want to undo the what so called “Nakba”. A thing that will never happen as long as Israel exists.

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            10 months ago

            The other claim that Palestinians never tried to have peace is asenine too. My previous comment about Rabin and Arafat debunks your ridiculous claim I’m not going to bother addressing every single other propaganda point.

            Israel is actively the aggressor in the West Bank where Palestinians are literally just trying to chill and have peace.

            Your list contains insane demands from. Israel which naturally got rejected. Even the israeli leaders said those deals were ridiculous afterwards.

            It’s a completely irrelevant list. Just delete it entirely.

      • Tenthrow@lemmy.worldM
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        10 months ago

        Please also list the reasons for rejection. I am sure every one of these offerings were 100% reasonable and Palestine just loves being subjegated.