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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Europe@lemmy.mlEnglish · 11 months ago

So it's actually a war over resources, how interesting!

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So it's actually a war over resources, how interesting!

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Europe@lemmy.mlEnglish · 11 months ago
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  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Nope, I’m not moving any goalposts here at all. The west helped overthrow the democratically elected government in Ukraine and installed a regime run by literal fascists. Yet, here you are pretending that it’s actually people fighting the fascists who are really fascist.

    I don’t see any reason to hit up a nazi. Here’s what you stand for. This what you’re all about, but being a cowardly nazi, you don’t actually fight and just troll online.

    • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941
    • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part II: The OUN during World War 2, 1941-1945
    • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
    • History of Fascism in Ukraine Part IV: The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992
    • The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
    • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
    • AP, 2014: Airstrike in eastern Ukraine kills 11 civilians
    • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
    • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
    • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
    • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
    • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
    • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
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      Good luck convincing any anticommunist to read one of those links, let alone all of them.

      Normally I try to limit myself to a maximum of three. Anything more than that and it’s a guaranteed ‘tl;dr’ from them.

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        Oh I don’t expect fascists to read any of the links. I tend to leave them for other people reading the thread who don’t suffer from brain rot.

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      Lol

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        Yeah so funny when the west overthrows a democratically elected government and puts literal fascists in charge.

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          Your mental acrobatics are the funny part. I don’t want to force Ukraine to surrender, so I’m a Nazi. I mean that sounds like a totally sane take 👍

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            Nah, you want the western backed regime in Ukraine to keep kidnapping people off the street and forcing them to fight because you’re a fascist https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

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              Well and here I thought it’s because we evil Europeans are after Ukrainians resources.

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                That’s literally what your mainstream media admits, not sure how that’s contradictory with you chuds overthrowing the government in Ukraine and backing a dictatorship in your mind. Installing brutal dictatorships is literally what the west does around the world to plunder resources from countries.

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                  Sure bud.

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                    I mean literal books have been written on the subject, but I guess if you were minimally literate then you wouldn’t be spewing nonsense here in the first place bud.

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                    Washington’s intentional support for antisocialist autocracies isn’t something under dispute among professional historians. There is an abundance of evidence for this in works such as Killing Hope and Thank God They’re on Our Side: The United States and Right‐Wing Dictatorships (to name only a few). Here is a quote from Gian Giacomo Migone’s The United States and Fascist Italy, pages xxv–xxvi:

                    As Arnold Offner pointed out, the roots of appeasement were by no means confined to the European side of the Atlantic.¹⁵ David Schmitz, without taking the trouble to quote me or any other author or document in a language other than English, has confirmed my analysis in this regard and rightly linked the American attitude toward the Fascist dictatorship to a subsequent trend in the history of U.S. foreign policy.¹⁶

                    Even FDR would call a convenient dictator “an s.o.b., but our s.o.b.” And on at least one occasion he called Mussolini “that admirable Italian gentleman” but was otherwise far more receptive to any critical analysis of European dictatorships than were the professional diplomats in the State Department, before and during his administration. Unfortunately, there were never any Dodds or Messersmiths posted in Rome!¹⁷

                    Plenty of anticommunists already acknowledge Washington’s support for autocracies. They just shallowly brush off it by saying ‘at least they weren’t communist’.

                    For the record, I am guessing that you probably aren’t a neofascist, but I don’t need to accuse you of being one when carelessly overlooking the Ukrainian régime’s atrocities already makes you look awful.

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