• fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml
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    Seems like I read this same headline a few times each year. Soon, rampant heat illness/stroke is going to make the recent pandemic look like a tiny blip when it comes to human mortality data.

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    Need to stop China. They are making 30+% of the entire world’s carbon output and no plans to reduce that for another 7 years.

    That’s more than the next 6 biggest carbon polluters combined.

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      Know how to stop China? Stop buying stuff made in China. All we, the west, are doing is outsourcing our carbon pollution to China.

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        Thanks for dropping the facts comrade. It’s hard for some people to understand that having 1.4 billion people means you can’t compare apples to apples with USA or Europe. China is by far working the hardest on lowering their carbon footprint.

        And yes, I’m considering the SocDems in Europe, those people don’t use a lot of energy because they produce nothing. If their overseas manufacturing plants produce carbon, it’s not part of their footprint, on paper. China produces many things, their footprint matters to many countries.

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          Having 1.4 billion people isn’t exactly responsible either, though. Call it what you want, China is still responsible for the lion’s share of pollution (not just CO2).

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            China: we are worried about overpopulation, we will tax over 1 child

            Westerners: authoritarian!

            China: Birth rate slowed, stopped the tax, has 1.4 billion people

            Westerners: ugh you have too many people! Irresponsible!!!

            🙄

            USA is still accountable for more c02 pollution in the atmosphere than any other country. And keys be honest, USA and Europe are responsible for most of the pollution of all kinds in the world. Please break out of your bubble…

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              There might be other ways to control population like, oh, say, sexual education or free contraceptives. It is totally the Chinese, authoritarian way of thinking that lead you to where you’re at now.

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                And it’s single minded liberal thinking that makes you believe that these things are mutually exclusive, and putting words into my mouth to say things I never said.

                How difficult is it to flip a switch in educate one and a half billion people? How long does that take for it to take effect? How can you get high quality education into rural societies that may not even have access to the internet?

                This is the problem with liberals, there’s only one solution isn’t there? Everybody believes the same thing, right? The solution that works for me will work for everyone…

                Of course access to sex ed and condoms will help, I believe that. And China is now doing that too. But that’s so easy to Google, I know you didn’t even try. They didn’t need to tax multiple kids forever, they needed to slow it down quickly. And they’ve removed that tax.

                Westerners use taxation to incentivize or decentivize action all the time, is that authoritarian? Please, for one fucking second, turn your excellent deduction skills (lol) inward onto yourself for a moment.

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                It is totally the Chinese, authoritarian way of thinking

                Ah yes, as you can see from the cranium of this skull, the Chinese brain is simply predisposed to authoritarian thought… 🙄

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            Europe having ~500 million and the US another ~300 million isn’t exactly responsible when each person consumes multiples of the what the average person in the global south consumes. Call it what you want, the global north is not only responsible for the lions share of emissions and other types of environmental degradation, it also doesn’t give a fuck and has no plans whatsoever to make meaningful changes to save the world from climate catastrophe. Luckily the global north is steadily and surely consigning itself into irrelevancy.

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                Except for two things.

                First, the way to express this is not to make eugenicist arguments alluding to Malthusian concepts of overpopulation.

                Second, the links provided above offer a mere taste of what China has been doing to try to stop climate change. It doesn’t matter whether these sources are persuasive, though. The proof of the pudding will be eating it in 10, 20, 30 years time and revaluating what each country has achieved. I’d bet the habitability of my planet on China achieving a lot more than the G7, possibly combined, unless the G7 suddenly became radical and changed their capitalist ways.

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                  I said China is overpopulated (it is). I didn’t allude to anything; you did that in your own head because you like to play the victim.

                  Time will tell what happens, I guess. I wouldn’t bet on an authoritarian country achieving much, however. History has shown that they tend to not do so well in the long run.

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    Global warming is a myth, it won’t amount to a hill of beans. /s