She is totally one of my faves. I wasn’t even aware of all this stuff about Tuvix until I joined lemmy, personally I don’t think she did anything wrong either
Tuvix was more effective than both Tuvok and Neelix and comsumed less resources. Needs of the many should actually lead to more crew fusions, not less.
It is quite literally impossible to be more effective than both Tuvok and Neelix. Both had their own individual jobs that were now collated into a single being. He had less time and availability to answer all issues. He cannot be in two places at once.
If Tuvix was injured or killed then two roles were left unfilled.
While ‘sort-of-but-not-really’ the same person, that didn’t stop everyone from feeling the loss of Tuvok and Neelix. This new guy may have had the same memories and experiences but he had a completely different outlook on all of those memories. Relationships that had been built with both crewmen now were left to wither and die.
Tuvix was already damaging crew morale. There’s a reason that the bridge had zero response to him being led away. Tuvix wasn’t their friend and never was. He wasn’t the person they had built a relationship with. He was a perpetual reminder that everything they knew was gone. They lost not only their morale officer but a senior officer.
The needs of the many were fulfilled by unmaking the mistake of Tuvix.
If I could reverse engineer your dead parents from your DNA, but it would kill you, have I therefore a moral imperative to deconstruct you, even against your will?
That is a bad faith argument. You’re ignoring the entire context of the situation. On top of that, you’re narrowly compacting the actual ethical/moral situation at hand.
I’m down for an actual discussion, if you want, but not if it’s gonna be like that. The discussion around Tuvix is not as black or white as you’re painting it out to be.
I’m not ignoring the context of the situation, there are good arguments for returning Tuvix to his previous selves, but “needs of the many” isn’t one of them.
Ultimately we’re talking about a ridiculous dilemma though, so I don’t know it needs to be this serious.
You are ignoring the context of the situation with your previous analogy. That’s what I meant. Needs of the many also is one of them when two crew members (with their own personal relationships and responsibilities) is better for the crew than a single crew member.
Also I offered a serious discussion. Didn’t say you were specifically beholden to it. I am sorry though that I took it a bit more seriously than intended there. Genuinely.
As much as I love the memes, Janeway Did Nothing Wrong and is total girlboss.
She is totally one of my faves. I wasn’t even aware of all this stuff about Tuvix until I joined lemmy, personally I don’t think she did anything wrong either
How can you listen to Tuvix’s desperate begging and say that?
Needs of the many
Tuvix was more effective than both Tuvok and Neelix and comsumed less resources. Needs of the many should actually lead to more crew fusions, not less.
It is quite literally impossible to be more effective than both Tuvok and Neelix. Both had their own individual jobs that were now collated into a single being. He had less time and availability to answer all issues. He cannot be in two places at once.
If Tuvix was injured or killed then two roles were left unfilled.
While ‘sort-of-but-not-really’ the same person, that didn’t stop everyone from feeling the loss of Tuvok and Neelix. This new guy may have had the same memories and experiences but he had a completely different outlook on all of those memories. Relationships that had been built with both crewmen now were left to wither and die.
Tuvix was already damaging crew morale. There’s a reason that the bridge had zero response to him being led away. Tuvix wasn’t their friend and never was. He wasn’t the person they had built a relationship with. He was a perpetual reminder that everything they knew was gone. They lost not only their morale officer but a senior officer.
The needs of the many were fulfilled by unmaking the mistake of Tuvix.
If I could reverse engineer your dead parents from your DNA, but it would kill you, have I therefore a moral imperative to deconstruct you, even against your will?
That is a bad faith argument. You’re ignoring the entire context of the situation. On top of that, you’re narrowly compacting the actual ethical/moral situation at hand.
I’m down for an actual discussion, if you want, but not if it’s gonna be like that. The discussion around Tuvix is not as black or white as you’re painting it out to be.
I’m not ignoring the context of the situation, there are good arguments for returning Tuvix to his previous selves, but “needs of the many” isn’t one of them.
Ultimately we’re talking about a ridiculous dilemma though, so I don’t know it needs to be this serious.
You are ignoring the context of the situation with your previous analogy. That’s what I meant. Needs of the many also is one of them when two crew members (with their own personal relationships and responsibilities) is better for the crew than a single crew member.
Also I offered a serious discussion. Didn’t say you were specifically beholden to it. I am sorry though that I took it a bit more seriously than intended there. Genuinely.