Doug [he/him]

Let’s not forget that space station was made by the people who he fought in the war. That’s got to figure in to those unmentioned psychological scars.

Spent years in exile on a desert planet while being hunted by former apprentice

Dealt with two generations of whiney Skywalker men (mostly joking)

I think the answer you’re looking for is

Yes

I’m doing my part!

I’ve seen some positive talk about TMP recently for one.

Aside from that it’s easy to find people falling in to the “the new stuff sucks. The old stuff is way better” about pretty much anything Trek or not.

Even your list doesn’t fit with the old adage of the evens being good and the odds being crap.

I think Beyond was my least favorite of the newer ones personally, but I’d still put it above the last time I watched Motion Picture so it seems silly to me to trash those while elevating all the old ones.

Star Trek is a universe of things between campy and serious. It’s possible enjoy them all, or ignore the ones to don’t.

Will you let that be your final battleground?

Yesterday the thing you love was the crappy new thing and lots of vocal assholes hated it.

Today you can choose to be the vocal asshole or just enjoy the thing you enjoy, no false praise needed.

Tomorrow the crappy new thing will be fondly remembered and the vocal assholes of today will seem foolish and, in part, pretend they never hated today’s thing.

This is true across various properties. The fact that you think “we don’t want to hear your constant whining” equates to “you have to praise the thing I like even if you don’t like it” really says something.

It may seem like it, but August 2022 wasn’t three years ago.

Even if it was that doesn’t really seem so disqualifying after we’ve just had a new season of Futurama and anticipate a new season of King of the Hill.

Orville may not have the financial draw, but I bet Seth had more fun with that than any of the animated stuff.

He never saw the propaganda film!

Kaylee might could run circles around most Starfleet engineers, LaForge included, but I bet she’d make B’Elanna uncomfortable with the way she hacked things together to make it work

That seems troublesome

Probably because you were in the wrong franchise not to mention the wrong ship

In weird things I don’t need to remember but do the patch notes for that included a change to the self destruct mechanism regarding whether it was only a bluff tactic or you could actually self destruct.

To make things more odd I can’t recall which way the change was. I think it was to actually be able to self destruct.

I’m not convinced they will regardless, but you have a point

Gilded gibbons

I’ll echo Stamet’s statements (heh). The vitriol for the sequels, if anything, is softer in a lot of ways than it was for the sequels.

Jake Lloyd was massively bullied (by classmates and fans) to the point he wanted nothing to do with any of it. Ahmed Best has been pretty open about considering suicide. Hayden Christensen got a lot of hate as well. It’s hard to find raw things from the era unless you happen to know forum links and such. The article below makes it seem a lot smoother but I think the quoted bit helps a little.

And then again, at the end:

[In his home], he has a series of large metal letters that spell out a motto: ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM. “It was a saying among soldiers in World War II,” he explains. “It means ‘Don’t let the bastards get you down.’”

As far as RotJ it’s hard to understand how much the die hard fans hated the Ewoks now. Imagine the criticisms you raised above being focused onto a single portion of one movie. The anger I’ve seen over Canto Bight being unnecessary doesn’t even touch it.

It’s absolutely an age thing and I’m confident the sequels in twenty years will be largely as received as the prequels are now and you can have this side of the conversation with some young fan upset with the new thing that’s ruining all of it.

Cause I got Faayyy of the harrrrr🎵

Thanks for picking that one up. Too often online it seems like most people have forgotten how long the newest Star Wars has been the bad one.

Probably partially because we’re getting old

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