A logical, respectful arguement that got downvoted because it wasn’t “cop bad”.

Ah, they brought boeing with boeings own money. That makes more sense.

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Isn’t that backwards?

TLDR: Mcdonall-Douglas.

Sorry, that was weekly. Weekend can fuck off if you’re on schedule.

If you’re ignoring all the risk factors, got no contingency plans or measurements against projected time and budget you have delivered everything on time and budget by luck.

If you already have those, those meetings should absolutely be a 30 min weekend meeting to check on status and what else you may need to keep delivering.

I mean, it ticks every box and doesn’t mention aircraft

AJ confirms these people were found, and Palestine blames Israel.

It doesn’t confirm who did it or who they were, and saying investigation is needed.

God, Middle East Eye is worse - they actively provide a biased arguement and have provided 0 Israel viewpoint and refuse to discuss who owns it. Their reviews discuss how they use manipulative language to push viewpoints and pass over any information counter to their agenda.

Had a look at the clip (well, first minute). Does this sound like a balanced view point to you.

• YouTuber

• listed outrage and disgusted before showing the clip i.e told you how to react

• mentioned issues with screen recording from BBC (nothing to do with the the clip, just there so you already question them)

• was already at an rally with this viewpoint before the information came up.

• completely loaded with emotive words and reactions

Vs BBC clip

• names, places

• fact (visited, rally, support, Hamas designated terrorist organization)

• clear, non emotive language.

• the only issue is calling it pro Hamas, which is an understandable conclusion as Hamas is the Palestine government. Who is responsiblefor the welfare of Palestine citizens - their government. Its no different than calling supporting American military ops pro-Biden.

If you go up to my eairler comment MEE is horrific fir accuracy and bias

Looking forward to it

(Shit that sounds morbid out of content)

Nope - accurate reporting does. Like I wouldn’t trust hamas to comment on Israel - its the point of independent journalism to give both sides, not take sides.

The thing I’ve learned most over this conflict is how much of a godsend BBC is - ban emotive language, report both sides, only send out evidence that is backed.

Thanks for the update as well. I’m trying to not take sides but can only do it when information is out there.

Can I ask you to update your original comment saying this video was made before this article came out, related to a different event at an unknown time, and has been edited?

I don’t know the name of the logical mistake, but saying they don’t report Israel lies is a falicy. They don’t need to state this is true, they need to factually state this is the viewpoint of the Israeli government, this is their response to this attack. Its not their job to tell us who is right and not, its their job to state both sides of the arguements and report on facts.

I disagree with point 2, or maybe it needs to be clarified?

A disproportionate response is a war crime (not genocide) but deaths each side isn’t the measure of proportionality - neither is strength, tech, economic strength.

Proportionality is using only as much force as necessary to eliminate the threat and minimize civilian casualties. I haven’t seen the intel reports of the attacks on civilian structures that hamas are using, but proportional response does need to be called into question.

UN definition

• proven attempt to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racist or religious group.

The key difference being we are seeing incidents of killing of civilians - either in conflict (expected) or execution (not expectedin conflict). What we aren’t seeing is a focused attempt at destroying the entire group - 10 here, mostly men, building destroyed there - or clear instructions to destroy the group. Quality reporting is showing individual incidents, mass propaganda and biased articles are calling it genocide.

No sorry, I cant comment on the difference as that wasn’t my area of study - mine was surface level Syria, Ukraine, Rwanda and War crime definitions, causes and responses. Id be limited to what the other poster said - one spoke German.

First article discusses a killing of 11 civilians, and other isolated events. Each individual one absolutely needs to be investigated and those responsible held to account but its not genocide.

Second discusses the effects on the elderly population and how nearly 1% of those over 60 have been killed - most killed by rubble. Again, not genocide. It sucks but civilians do die in war - those that were killed in cold blood do need justice however.

Third one discusses the changes in human rights over the last year (actually a really good read), how war crimes have been committed by both sides. Mentions numerous crimes against civilians, including events of executions. Like the first - those should be held to account but its not genocide… or if it is its a pretty crap attempt.

Is there precident that Israel could have done this - yes.

Is there also precident that Hamas could have done this - yes.

Thanks for the links by the way - pretty accurate and unbiased reporting. They are discussing that there are human rights violations happening from both side in this conflict, and hopefully international pressures will bring those responsible to account - but its not genocide. Happy to change mind as new evidence comes to account.

Looked into the presenter of this video (Middle East Eye)

• heavy Palestine bias

• owners not known

• 0 Israeli perspective

• (edit after chatting with poster - two week old video edited for this event)

I’ve gone through the last 8 hours of Al Jazeera links - no mention of this article. The review from the last 24 hours does not mention this link. Do you have an Al Jazeera, BBC, or AP link to this video, because right now it looks fabricated with the AJ logo.

The AJ link you posted is a great article- bodies found, likely bound and executed, investigating ongoing, Palestine blames Israel.

I was talking with a poster a few days ago - apparently the mods of .world are heavily anti Israeli and approve and block based on their own viewpoints and standing. Mass bot account to vote are permitted, complaints against them are ignored. This one isn’t actually too bad - im downvoted to shit but the comments back have been honest and clear discussion with facts which is a nice change.

I don’t know if I’d call it anti western - I have no doubt there are Russian and Chinese bot factories here - but there is absolutely a push to certain agendas. Can’t comment on federation as I don’t look at that side of lemmy.

I said this one a few days ago - if we want this to be a place of facts and truth we need to be pushing back against poor reporting. The downvotes will come, but the more comments pushing evidence and calling out inaccuracies the better.

By this point honestly I don’t know. The quality of information that gets to the public, the bias and propaganda from both sides, even the mass bot account in lemmy.world that downvote everything not anti Israeli tells me there is alot of information missing.

Are we looking at individuals actions, groups of people, or a systematic process? The amount of suppressed information and incorrect reporting makes the latter appear to be all there is, but the reality is somewhere in the range.

Could it be a genocide - yes. Are there massive questions that need to be asked - absolutely. Have both sides committed crimes against humanity - very likely. Is it enough for media to be screaming genocide, make a biased article to inflame the masses without checking the facts - no.

The first paragraph of the Al Jazeera article shows the biggest difference in the quality of reporting

• mass grave found

• calling for investigations

• Palestine authorities blame Israel.

This is the big concern I have about the original article - instantly called it executions of civilians, Israel did it. AL stated the facts, and you said it yourself - breaking news and investigation takes time, so why is it ok to scream genocide and Israeli did it? I can guarantee you Democracynow won’t release a massive recant of its statenents and apologize if it was wrong - it just put out the fastest article it could that stired up the most anger.

I got downvoted to shit because because I believe in waiting for the evidence and can see there is a clear bias in the article.