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Second richest person in the world

French national Bernard Arnault is the chair and CEO of LVMH, the world’s largest luxury goods company. LVMH brands include Louis Vuitton, Hennessey, Marc Jacobs, and Sephora.

It’s not that they’re poor in absolute terms, but they’re just poorest out of that specific group.

KONE makes elevators and escalators. I guess there’s always stairs but elevators and escalators are quite handy

That’s not the best way to sell it, me thinks lol

Source: Communist Party of India

lol

Wasn’t ancient Olympics a supershow of their time?

Build the fence! Build the fence!

You see the Avengers are super big into eugenics. It’s in the subtext mate

Politician dumb

I’m more puzzled about Sudan. What are these maps about, what’s “New Middle East”? I looked up articles about the speech but they don’t really clarify the deal about Sudan

I just meant that that’s often morality based, as in general public holds companies to some moral standard. Often it’s a fairly low standard though, as you’ve pointed out.

If I buy a map I don’t just drive down the road not looking out the window.

Well duh

Yes it very literally is.

I just told you how you misunderstood what I expected and you still insist on understanding me. That’s funny.

Google is providing guidance, sure, but the driver, by virtue of being present, having eyes and a brain, and controlling the fucking vehicle is the one responsible for where the vehicle goes.

There’s not just one person responsible for this. Driver, municipality, Google are all responsible in different amounts.

Google’s guidance is nothing more than them saying, “Based on our data, this is the route we think you should take.”

Yeah and they’re responsible for giving bad guidance, same as the municipality is responsible for not closing down the route and the driver for mistakes they made.

That you think Google shoulders blame in this is actually kind of a sad commentary on how some of society views personal responsibility.

You completely misunderstood me. I take part of the responsibility (lol) for it.

“It’s not criminal so they didn’t have any part or responsibility” is something I don’t understand. Of course the routing was part of the reason this happened. Municipality’s/landowner’s part is how they hadn’t closed to road, put up signage etc. Google’s part is the bad routing. Driver’s part is well, the ultimately the driving. Thinking the routing had no part in the death just doesn’t make sense to me.

how does it make any difference how long the bridge has been out for

Ample time and opportunity to fix it, even being told about the issue. Of course the time makes a difference, if the bridge had collapsed 15 minutes prior then it would be less bad on Google’s side for not having made the change.

Google aren’t actually responsible for updating a section of their map, Yes it would be great if they would do it, but they’re not actually legally required to do it.

Of course there’s responsibility for the bad routing, even if they’re not legally required to update the map/routing. I doubt the case against Google goes anywhere but to me it seems obvious they share a part of the responsibility for their routing.

They obviously have responsibility for their part… 🤦‍♂️

You are moving the bar

You previously replied to me asking if they have no part and said “that is the only logical conclusion”… If you didn’t get what I meant you should’ve probably mentioned this moving the bar then and not after you gave a silly answer to the question. Better look if nothing else.

I just talked about responsibility. It by default is a wider thing than just legal responsibility.

And no, corporations are run by thousands of people all with a wide and diverse definition of ethical. I do not place ethical standards on them whatsoever.

That’s fucking grim.

what public opinion will tolerate

What is that public opinion based on if not in part on moral judgement?

Not sure what part of my comment makes you unsure on what I think. Yes they have some responsibility.

It was a dark and rainy night and he was following his GPS which led him down a concrete road to a bridge that dropped off into a river

I think that might’ve hampered his ability to see well. Not sure how visible the drop off is in general, not to mention on a rainy night, so it could look like everything is fine and then the bridge just drops off to nothing, so it isn’t necessarily a simple case of “should’ve stopped if he couldn’t see” either.

In any case, even though the “issue” is undoubtedly his since he died and if you mean responsibility then of course everyone is responsible for their driving. I’m just saying that (imo obviously) there’s other parties responsible here too. Municipality/landowners for not fixing, marking etc the bridge so this doesn’t happen. Driver for their part in the actual driving and decision made during it. But also Maps for the routing and not fixing the map even though they were informed of the issue. Since we don’t know the specifics it’s impossible to say specifically how much each part contributed, but I’d say most of the responsibility is on the municipality.

Not really. I think they have a part of the responsibility but as with previous similar cases, I don’t think they’ll see any legal consequences.

You think it’s logical to say someone giving directions had no part in what happened? Zero part, had nothing to do it?

Right… Logical.