Agreed, I would like to have seen some statements on Netanyahu’s many falsehoods in the speech. That’s not generally going to be done via press release though and I doubt she would overstep the current president on criticizing foreign leaders.
The question was centered on politics, so that’s what I addressed. Harris is running a campaign, so she is also centered around politics right now. It sucks but it’s how our world works right now.
They will be lightly affected by her denouncing some of the protestors (which is separate from supporting Israel and its genocide), yes. Remember that the Jewish voting bloc is also primarily democratic. If your concern is politics in this situation, it’s a very fine line that Dem politicians have to walk here.
Edit: I’m just gonna back out of this thread. I’m not supportive of the genocide, but yall also don’t want to have an actual conversation.
Are you under the impression that people donate money to politicians as an investment? For some of us, our sights are on yknow… not letting our country slide into a fascist state. My personal wealth is not as important as that.
Unless a court kicks it into maximum overdrive, this isn’t getting seen by the election. Your second alternative looks most likely to me right now.
What? I don’t agree with AIPAC on a lot of things, but they’re not the reason we don’t have viability for an amendment to the constitution.
You’re a lot more optimistic than I am. Look at the voting patterns of the right wing of our congress. I don’t see any small gov advocates there who pay anything but lip service to the concept. They’ll fall over themselves to not only protect Trump, but to be the loudest and most supportive of him.
Never gonna get an amendment in this country without a mass change in voting patterns. We would have to own congress for that.
I read the article you posted here (great read btw, thanks for posting) and I think just to quibble, that idea of lift (Bernoulli’s Theorem) is not wrong, just insufficient. It sounds like that mechanism definitely contributes to the overall generated lift, but doesn’t tell the whole story.
I really enjoyed the bit about Einstein designing an aerofoil and when it was tested, the pilot said the plane “waddled like a pregnant duck”. Really interesting to see one of the smartest physicists to ever live just kinda give up on aeronautics and consider it a “youthful folly”.
This was a cool read, thanks for posting! That final bit about experiments on both the color and sound while chewing also affecting flavor is super interesting.
I’m a scum bag for not wanting to get into a debate with someone threatening suicide in lemmy comments? If they’re telling the truth, they need to talk to someone qualified, not random idiots on lemmy. If they’re using it as a debate tactic, it’s beyond fucked up. Either way, not sure how that makes any sort of statement on me. Lost a friend to suicide not even a month ago so fuck me for not wanting to engage with this right?
They do a straight comparison of sympathies between Gaza and Israel further down the article. Look for the graph with the title “Sympathies in the Middle East Situation, by Party ID and Age”.
It’s been an exhausting day for me on this thread and frankly, it’s not worth it anymore. I’ve had a person threaten suicide multiple times, a person just randomly start belittling for no reason, and a large chunk of people who just refuse to read articles. Gonna tap out of this one, so you all take what you will from the articles and I’ll just leave it there.
Call a suicide hotline. Nobody here can help you in this forum and it’s very clear you need to have a discussion with a therapist. You’re in no place to be on Lemmy having discussions about anything, much less heated political topics. I’m going to block you after this, not because I dislike you, but because I want you to not have any incentive to respond. Go get some help friend.
I’m confused, did you not read the stats I linked in the comment above?
Not sure you’ve been “having to explain things” to me as much as just having a discussion with someone. I’m not really sure why you felt the need to get so dismissive and rude to someone who has clearly just tried to talk to you about something we both care about and approached in good faith. I really don’t need any “help” and I’m not sure what you even mean by that last statement. I hope you have a good rest of your day?
Then what demographic do you think it is?
Older white men, the core republican demographic. Inside of the general democratic camp, it would likely be older Latino males right now, but I would need to refresh my stats.
Not for Obama.
You’re joking, right? Ask any young person today what their thoughts on Obama are and you’re gonna hear “drone strikes” first thing. The electoral politics of 2024 are vastly different than the ones in 2012, especially with young people. The way social media delivers news and raw footage to people, especially the youth who know how to operate it best, has completely altered the relationship between foreign policy and PR at home. Obama would be skewered today, and I’m surprised that someone on the left is even holding him up as an example for Biden to follow in foreign policy maneuvers.
Historical the youth vote is very important, we can’t just give up on the whole demographic because they don’t like moderates. They’re the fucking future of the party, we need to actively go after them. I don’t expect Biden to bust out a sac solo live on MTV like Bill did.
Totally agree, but I do wish we could get the sax solo. (Sac solo is also a hilarious typo given the Bill Clinton proximity)
But he’s not trying to reach out at all.
Don’t agree, and here’s exhibit A of my comment above. He has forgiven as many student loans as seemingly possible with the current court structure and he has made climate change a high priority. Those are both targeted directly at the youth. He’s trying. Now, he might be failing, but why? Because a crisis has occurred that the youth feels incredibly strongly about, and they are one of the most uncompromising demographics. Most other demographics will remember those earlier wins and put the ones they lose in larger context. The youth is uncompromising, which is both their largest strength and weakness.
For what it’s worth, I’m not trying to argue with you on the broader topic of whether the younger demo is worth pursuing. Technology and political degradation is just going to consistently put the youth demo at odds with the raw math of campaigning, and that’s something I worry about. I don’t want any of what I’m saying to be true, but I worry that it is.
The demographic Biden struggles most with isn’t young people and beside that point, every demographic is unique. Young people are impossible to please. Not individually, but as a demographic, they are inconsistent, fickle, wrathful, and fairly apathetic. I’m still in this demographic and it wouldn’t be my first stop for a reliable election winner. Then look at the Gallup poll I sent and think about this purely from a campaigning perspective. How does playing to the youth on Gaza win you anything? Frankly, it looks like the math is stacked against us on this.
I still think we should fight for this. I still think there should be protests, demonstrations, campaigning for more ethical candidates. I no longer think trying to win this through selling it as a carrot or stick for winning the election is going to work though. The electorate just cares way, way more about economics and Biden (from a campaigning perspective) would be much more well-suited to focusing on that.
I think it’s really lame to set up a false dichotomy for people between asking you to vote in the presidential election and asking you to kill yourself. That’s not productive discussion at all and really injects a gross tone into the whole thing. Can we not trivialize suicide as some sort of debate tactic, please?
They were responding to me instead of you and just clicked the wrong comment I think, just to give them some grace. I would wait for a comment addressed to yours specifically because they may have a different framing.
She’s a lot more borderline on the issue than Biden. Her speech in December-ish was fairly critical of Israel’s behavior up to that point and she called for a ceasefire pretty early on in comparison to others in the admin. She also normally would have presided over the speech Netanyahu gave this week, but chose not to. Is it enough? No, not really, but she’s the VP and effectively a figurehead. I think it bodes well for at least a small shift in stance if she makes it in though. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.