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You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself?
Yes, sending weapons and money to Zelensky’s regime, which lets him to continue staying in power and terorrize Ukrainians by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them from the streets to send them to the meatgrinder.
What makes you think that ending Russia’s horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?
Because dems have been funding this war since the beginning, and would certainly continue to do so? I think Harris explicitly said that she will continue the war (or something along those lines).
Trump said that he is going to finish it by forcing both sides to negotiate. (Yes yes I know, every politician’s main job is lying. But when one person says that they will definitely kill everybody I know continuing the job of their predecessor, and the second one at least promises that they will not, whatever credibility that promise has in your opinion - I’m choosing the second one)
No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.
Well, it just so happens that I care more about people, actual living humans, their lives, and not countries.
I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft.
I believe kidnapping people and sending them to die is kidnapping people and sending them to die.
Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter.
Well, that’s true I guess. Like most/all of the “battles” in comments. I just don’t think there is something more I can do to stop Zelensky terrorizing people, other than try to convince randos on the internet to stop supporting his regime :(
Trump will stop support
I sure hope so, this is the only (realistic) outcome where my family and friends and every other Ukrainian survive.
will becomes west Russia
I don’t think so, that’s just a scarecrow the west is using to continue the war.
I’m sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere
- Doesn’t happen in Russia on an even remotely similar scale.
- People in Russia “under Putin’s boot” can always leave the country (and of course go to the greatest country on Earth with the most benevolent leader - Ukraine). People in Ukraine are Zelensky’s slaves.
I’m sure they didn’t treat Ukranians poorly
Well, now Russia definitely does treat us better though. Those who are in the liberated cities are the lucky ones who can freely move around.
Make them die?
Yes, exactly.
They can surrender themselves right?
How? Surrendering in modern warfare is super hard, you will either be droned by enemy because they mistake your surrendering for attacking, or by your side for surrendering.
As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.
Sure, supply those who want to fight. You do know though, that people in Ukraine are given no choice? Zelensky forbade people to leave the country (and he is way more successful at keeping the western border safe than eastern one (that is, from people wanting to escape this hell) - weak against strong ones, and strong against weak ones). Zelensky’s regime kidnaps people from the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder. If you care about “helping people fight against oppressive regimes” you should support those people, not the ones terrorizing them.
Perhaps if you’re some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.
I am Ukrainian. I have no idea whether Slavic people are considered white or not, but I am quite sure I’d benefit from a literal war in my country ending.
I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don’t accept bullies demands. Period.
Then go sign up for foreign legion and go make sure Putin loses. Don’t make Ukrainians die instead of you for your wild fantasies.
I’m sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia
Wouldn’t happen, but even this is way better than giving it to Zelensky.
and letting them murder Zelensky.
No way. I mean that would be awesome of course, bringing justice to that murderer who killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, terrorizing the rest for three years and not letting people escape. But that would never happen, USA almost certainly gave Zelensky some guarantees that he will be able to escape to USA after this war ends.
Ah yes, the usual undefeatable argument of libs/dems/whatever - if you don’t like us slaughtering people you know, then you are fascist, dumb and most importantly a Russian bot and fuck you. 🙃
Yeah, that’s a monkey paw wish. His “ending the war in Ukraine” almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.
Even if you are right (I don’t think so), so what?
How is this worse then what is hapenning now (to Ukrainians)?
Inb4 probably some delusiomal fantasies about how Putin is gonna invade the whole world, etc. :/
The best news in the last three years! :)
I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.
Well, as assholish as he is, at least that guy is honest.
If people started likewise admitting that they are genociding Ukrainians (because hey, it also hurts Russia, so it’s worth it) instead of “but we are helping Ukraine!” that would already be a huge progress…
I just… don’t understand… a rapist, felon, traitor, failed businessman, among a looooong list of other shitty traits… how the hell can someone wake up and go, “This guy needs to be President!”???
Well, I do wake up every day and hope that he becomes president. He is the only one who promises to stop the genocide and suffering of Ukrainians. Dunno how many US citizens care about it, but hopefully it’s a non-negligible amount :)
LW user and labeling everything they dislike as disinformation.
Name more iconic duo.
Oh I might have missed that, would you be so kind to point out where exactly did you refute anything I’ve said? :)
In case you’re not aware of that, calling something garbage is not in any way a sound argument that refutes anything, it’s a fallacy that is used when you know you are actually wrong ;)
Eh, and again war supporters have to rely on ad hominem to try to prove their point because they have no sound arguments :)
The only government that tries to forcibly conscript and send me (and countless other Ukrainians) to die is Ukrainian government though.
No, it isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Oh, really?
So for example Azov brigade and glorification of Stepan Bandera is just a Russian misinformation, am I right?
Well, feel free to refute anything I’ve said - I would like to learn where am I wrong ;)
It’s actually current Ukrainian government that are nazis :)
Typical guy with ad hominems without actual arguments :)
For Ukraine - I don’t know what “Putin for Ukraine” means… If Ukraine would be Putin’s then it probably wouldn’t be Ukraine but Russia (unless Putin would be a president of both countries or something…)? I don’t think it would be good or bad, Ukraine existing or not doesn’t change much IMHO, but I’m open to hearing your arguments here.
For Ukrainians - of course! The shit that Zelensky does to Ukrainians is exactly (and even worse than) what the west scares public Putin would do. Ukrainians on liberated territories(controlled by Putin) have way more freedoms than those on territories controlled by Zelensky’s regime, including one of the most basic freedoms - freedom of movement and not being kidnapped on a street and be sent to die…