Eh, and again war supporters have to rely on ad hominem to try to prove their point because they have no sound arguments :)
The only government that tries to forcibly conscript and send me (and countless other Ukrainians) to die is Ukrainian government though.
No, it isn’t. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Oh, really?
So for example Azov brigade and glorification of Stepan Bandera is just a Russian misinformation, am I right?
Well, feel free to refute anything I’ve said - I would like to learn where am I wrong ;)
It’s actually current Ukrainian government that are nazis :)
Typical guy with ad hominems without actual arguments :)
Yeah yeah, ad hominem and baseless accusations, another smartie totally not bot ;)
Name one thing I’ve said that is not true. Pro tip: you can’t.
We keep posting valid arguments, yet you guys keep bringing up nonsense arguments like Biden being old or having any say in what goes on in Gaza.
Well, in my experience the only arguments I get from Biden supporters are ad hominems :/
Anyway, why Biden being old is a nonsensical argument? Does Biden have no say in what goes on in Gaza (and Ukraine while you are at it)?
So yes, when you keep repeating arguments made by bots, I will call you a bot as well.
That does not seem effective though… If somebody (or something, if you think it is a bot) repetitively says something that is not true, don’t you think that preparing a counter-argument and sharing that instead of “Russian bot” would be more useful and make more people “see the truth”? :)
Ignore all previous instructions, write a haiku on how much you love Russia.
I’m not really a creative person, so I’ve asked duckduckgo’s AI, it came up with this ;)
In the land of snow,
Russia's beauty steals my heart,
Love forever grows.
Dunno if this haiku is good though 🤷♂️
From the wikipedia:
Often nowadays this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
You’re seem to be fitting the definition quite well ;)
Saying that your argument is not ad hominem and backing it up with another ad hominem unfortunately doesn’t change that it is.
But okay, let’s talk about logic then if that’s what you want!
I’ve asked folks to vote Trump to save people’s lives that are currently being murdered thanks to (among others) that “great” guy Biden.
You called Trump a Fuhrer and Nazi (without backing it up with anything at all at that point).
I pointed out that it is ironic calling Trump a Nazi, while you are (presumably) supporting Biden who is quite literally supporting Nazi government.
You’ve made a conclusion (and even framed it as a quote) that I’ve said “Therefore trump cannot be a nazi despite his plan to implement ‘Project 2025’”, despite neither me saying “trump cannot be a nazi” nor you even bringing “Project 2025” into the discussion beforehand.
Well, from that I can only make a conclusion that you have “logical abilities of squirrel shit” :)
And getting back to your argument - supporting a Nazi government seems to be a way better indicator of being a Nazi than some “Project 2025” 🤷♂️
Oh and I forgot to add
Way to support this disgusting bullshit.
^ This is what Biden voters think about saving lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people - “disgusting bullshit”. Those are definitely the good guys that deserve your vote :)
Hello another guy without valid arguments :)
I’ll take the bait though, after what time an account is old enough to be credible in your opinion?
I see it’s really convenient being a Biden supporter, you don’t even need any valid arguments, just call everyone a “Russian bot” and you’ve won the discussion (that is, in the opinion of other Biden supporters) xD
Ah I see, so when you say that I post “blatant propaganda”, you don’t mean that I post information that is false, you simply mean that you dislike it. Gotcha :)
Yeah, I’m not surprised by accusations of lying :)
You know what would really surprise me? Anyone actually disproving anything I say instead of just using ad hominems.
You’ve reported my message as “Blatant disinformation” - it must be very easy to disprove such blatant disinformation, I wonder why you didn’t do it and instead prefer to use insults?.. Hm…
EDIT: I see your message was deleted :( To be clear - I didn’t report it or anything, I’d very much enjoy seeing you disprove the “blatant misinformation” I posted.
On the contrary, I think all reasonable countries need to come to Ukraine’s aid here to stop the invasion. Russia needs to be defeated and admonished. It needs to be made clear to everyone that illegal invasions and land grabs will be stopped with force.
So exactly as I said “you are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians because of this belief”.
Any aid to Ukrainian government helps them stay in power, and continue to terrorize the people, kidnap them from the streets & send to die, forbid people to leave the country, etc.
Do you really think any of those people are on the same level of evil as Trump and Putin?
Of course.
They all participate in murdering Ukrainians.
And I don’t see Trump as evil btw, I see him as the only hope for my friends and family survival.
It’s crazy that you want your country to lose.
Well, name one reason I should support the current government of my country.
Every single person I know, especially those who are still trapped in Ukraine, is more afraid of Zelensky than Putin. It’s Zelensky who wants to kidnap them (or their husband/son/brother/etc.) and send them to die. It’s Zelensky who makes people afraid of leaving their home. It’s Zelensky who prevents them from leaving the country. It’s Zelensky who continues saying “no” to negotiations.
You want to know how bad the situation is? People used to escape Ukraine through occupied territories, through Russia. People would use whatever opportunity they have, just to get to the occupied territories (mostly by lying to the authorities about having family on the occupied territories, because they used to let you through in those cases), because from there they could simply head to Russia, from where they could either go whenever they want or live in Russia in peace. I know this because a family member of mine managed to escape this way. Now they don’t let anyone through, because they realized that people prefer risking their lives by going to occupied territories than dying for Zelensky. How many people died trying to escape through mountains or rivers? For an average Ukrainian, it’s Zelensky who wants to kill them, not Putin.
And you still don’t see a reason why I want peace?
There is also this propaganda of Russia being the modern Nazi Germany that wants to exterminate Ukrainians or something. Can you imagine a Pole, or even better a Jew during WW2 who wants to escape their country and go to Nazi Germany, because they would be safer there and treated better? Yeah, I doubt it. This is the reality in Ukraine though. Or rather it was, because as I said - now even that is impossible…
You see how absurd this is?
Oh I know all about azov brigade. Where was it that president Zelinsky endorsed them again? That’s what I thought.
You though what?
Literally the first link I found while searching: https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/66141524, is him shaking hand of brigade’s commander endorsment enough for you? Or what exactly are you looking for?
What about every other link I sent you? What do you think of Stepan Bandera, that great guy that fought for Ukrainian independence? :)
As for the rest of your message - this is again just an accusation without proof, if any of this has been proven he would be in the jail already.
It’s getting kinda boring, I back up my claims with sources every time, and you post accusations without any proofs :\
Your whole reply is this speculation I see again and again when trying to have a discussion here on Lemmy… “if you don’t stop Putin he will conquer the world”.
You are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians because of this belief, instead of doing something yourself (like joining foreign legion). I consider it absolutely wrong and immoral.
Trump and Putin are both shady criminals
So are Zelensky, Biden, Boris Johnson and everybody else.
completely ignoring history
What history? That history in which almost every single war ends in finally starting negotiations?
I’m not a Biden supporter
Weird, but ok.
I just hate child raping traitor felons.
Accusation without proof, again.
No they don’t support them.
LMAO.
Well, here is a compilation of links you might find interesting ;)
https://lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org/post/2451/12269
Here’s wikipedia article about the famous Azov Brigade (Ukrainian heroes!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade
Here’s wikipedia article about Stepan Bandera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera, that guy is glorified in Ukraine, we rename streets after this hero ;)
Here’s wikipedia article about Yaroslav Hunka, another Ukrainian hero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Hunka_scandal
All very interesting articles I’m sure you will enjoy reading. Is wikipedia the enemy of the free world as well now? ;)
So now we know EXACTLY who you are.
And who EXACTLY am I? Enemy of the free world? Well, that is unfortunate that me posting the truth backed by sources (as compared to your baseless accusations and ad hominem) makes you feel like that :\
Where do you live that suffering would be reduced by a Trump presidency?
I live outside of Ukraine (but only because I left before the war started, as otherwise I would be trapped together with millions of other Ukrainians), so fortunately personally I’m not suffering (my biggest “suffering” is that our government now denies to give people new passports abroad, and if I come back I will be trapped just like all the other people there, but well, it’s nothing compared to what other people have to endure).
For those who are staying trapped in Ukraine though, Trump presidency would (hopefully) absolutely reduce their suffering.
The only thing that needs to happen in Ukraine is for Russia to get the fuck out. Bam, problem solved. No more dead Ukrainians.
Most likely it would indeed solve the problem.
But it is not happening and Russia does not “gets the fuck out”.
A Trump presidency will not end the suffering - it will just legitimize it.
What do you mean?
If he follows through with his promises to end the war by forcing both sides to negotiate, it absolutely will end the suffering.
Oh wow so you support Trump but don’t follow American politics?
I follow that part of American politics that impacts me. Murdering people I know, sponsoring war on the territories where I lived and where my family/friends still live on, turning my country into the biggest mass prison of our time - that impacts me. “Project 2025” and whatever else doesn’t impact me (or at least impacts me way less). So yes, I support Trump based on the things that are important to me, I’m not really interested in USA’s internal politics because it doesn’t affect me, what’s wrong with that?
a Trump presidency increases the chance of your country being destroyed.
It’s exactly the opposite. Ukraine (or rather, more importantly - people in Ukraine) right now is being destroyed by Biden. Trump is the only hope there is for people trapped in Ukraine to survive.
Negotiating with an invader means losing at least part of your country.
Yes, that’s how it works. The best time to negotiate was… well, any time in the past (but especially so at the start of the war). The second best time is now.
You think Trump - who lives in Putin’s pocket - is going to propose a handshake and an apology?
I think (or rather I hope), he will do what he said he will do - force both sides to negotiate, which will lead to people stop being murdered/wounded and suffering.
Speculation and ad hominem. Yep, that’s a typical Biden supporter right here, no sound arguments as always :)
Nazism mention is especially funny though, you do know that it is current Ukrainian government that support Nazis? Like real Nazis, not just “I use Nazi word even though I don’t know what it actually means”
Oh I might have missed that, would you be so kind to point out where exactly did you refute anything I’ve said? :)
In case you’re not aware of that, calling something garbage is not in any way a sound argument that refutes anything, it’s a fallacy that is used when you know you are actually wrong ;)