Even if they were CIA-ing, I’m pretty sure they’d be CIA-ing in support of Bibi rather than the other way around. The US seems happy enough to let him carry on genociding, as long as he provides just enough plausible deniability.

Israelis doing whatever they can to make the word “antisemitic” lose all of its value.

Plenty of work for you in The Netherlands… But then again the PVV with Geert Wilders was the biggest in our last elections so it’s not exactly progress.

They were keeping Palestinians alive in there, by Israeli standards that is antisemitic already.

Admittedly, Israel’s current plan for Gaza after the war is a bit hazy at best (as in, they still don’t appear to have one). However, early on, Israel claimed that “We shall demolish it and it will never be built again.” and that they “take no responsibility for life on the Gaza strip after the war” (source: https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/palestine-israel/2023/10/20/israel-to-take-no-responsibility-for-life-on-gaza-strip-after-war-says-defence-minster/?outputType=amp).

I sure hope they have changed their mind and will have an actual plan to help the Gazan people, but I am nowhere near as optimistic as you. I do not consider Israel an “absolute jewel” with democratic ideals. Israel is just as much a “shithole theocracy” as the countries surrounding it. The difference is that they have the money for an extensive (and I mean extensive) propaganda and lobbying machine. The amount of policies, organisations and projects of Israel to give it a positive name in the Western world is absolutely insane, and the fact that so many exist in the first place tells you enough about the true intentions of the country. A true democracy would not need to control public opinion nearly as much.

There’s still a long way from the current 20-something thousand death to 2 million. Literally 100 times as many. That’s even ignoring the Palestinians in the West Bank. I sure as hell hope that Israel stops or is stopped long before they get to those numbers. Killing all Palestinians is literal holocaust levels of murder.

If genociding all Palestinians is the only way to “win” for the IDF, then I hope with all my heart that the IDF loses big time, and I sure as hell would assume any normal thinking human being agrees with me, as there is no way you can consider yourself moral person and at the same time be okay with the slaughtering of 2 million people.

The thing is Israel has no intention to help the people of Gaza. They have literally said so. So if they will not help the people of Gaza, they will either do exactly what you say is not an option: leave Gaza to their own fate, or they will take the land without helping the people of Gaza, which amounts to ethnic cleansing.

To be in the right (and I say this lightly, as taking Gaza would definitely be nothing more than occupying a country through an invasion), Israel needs to either claim Gaza and make the Gazan people full citizens of Israel, including all the rights that come with that (which is, if other parts of Israel and the occupied areas of the West Bank are anything to go by, is not going to happen), or they need to leave Gaza alone, including the removal of any blockade or occupation, and give Gaza a realistic chance at being it’s own state.

I’m only saying what the result will be of Israel’s current strategy. Long term they are only creating more potential enemies. They may defeat Hamas, but they’re just creating the foundation for the next generation terror group, with record numbers of people willing to join their ranks. Strategically, it’s the worst possible approach for a stable and secure future for Israel - unless the goal is to annihilate anyone that has motive to hate Israel, which snowballs very quickly into every Palestinian as the more you murder, the more family members are left behind that resent Israel.

Do you want a real chance of peace in Israel? Truely work on a better and safer future for the Israeli people and create an undisputed Zionist state? Do whatever you can to create a livable situation for Palestinians, in which they don’t get treated like second rank citizens. Where they are free to work and travel as they desire. Where they can live like human beings like you and me, rather than being treated as prisoners, animals or worse. Where they have no need to feel like they must fight for their survival.

But Netanyahu doesn’t care, all he cares about is that the focus is off of him, his attempt at dictatorship and whatever lawsuits he’s trying to dodge. By the time the effects of his current policy come through, he’ll be dead of old age anyway.

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If only Israel could stop massacring innocent civilians and save their weaponry for actual enemies rather than using them to create an entire generation of Palestinians with slaughtered kids or parents, ripe for recruiting by Hamas or any other Iranian backed group, that would be great.

“Stop fighting and let us genocide you in peace”

And this is why there will never be peace in Israel. The Israeli government does whatever it can to incite hatred against the Palestinian people amongst their own population, creating a hotbed in which neither side will ever accept the other. Hamas does the same on the other side. Only Israel as oppressor has the means to steer towards a peaceful path, whereas Palestinian people are fighting for survival against poverty and hunger every day.

And Santa Claus is real!

No no everyone matters, but if they’re not brown they just matter a bit more /s

Oh they’ll take disciplinary action against those who took the videos… Can’t have that leaking. Note that the headline does not state “Israeli soldier misbehaviour in Gaza create a headache for army”, it’s the Videos of part that troubles them

This man is literally giving his life and sacrificing himself in the hopes of creating a better Russia. It’s incredibly brave.

You need to see this in the current context though, this polling is done after two months of heavy bombing by Israel. The sentiment in Gaza at the moment is not exactly positive towards Israel right now, and rightly so.

The one that for me is a key point is how small the believe in a two state solution has become and the other ones related to the believe in a peaceful situation. This is what I have been thinking all the time - Israel has created a situation in which peace with Gaza is becoming impossible. There is an entire generation now that will not be able to forgive Israel. Short term, they may be able to defeat Hamas, but there is no way that this will be a stable situation. But I guess Bibi just needs it to last for as long as he intends to be in power, and doesn’t give a shit about what comes after.

I’m Dutch and afaik right-wing media doesn’t play a role.

I take it you haven’t looked at the Telegraaf or PowNews the last months? They definitely played a role.

Yeah, 15 guns in a hospital that holds thousands, in the middle of an active warzone? That’s probably the lowest density of guns in the whole of Gaza right now. Hell I’m willing to bet that if you were to search any big hospital on the planet, there’s probably 15 guns stored somewhere.

Israel itself has said they dropped something like 6000 bombs in the first week. Imagine that number, and then realize Gaza is one of the most populated areas in the world (like pretty much a city all the way through), how would that number of deaths be anything but realistic? Just think about what would happen if they dropped 6000 bombs in Manhatten, how many deaths do you think there would be? If anything, 9000 sounds of the low side.