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People (in this very thread, so not strawmen!) mischaracterising using any private companies in delivery as taking the NHS out of public hands was exactly the argument that he was responding to.
London-based writer. Often climbing.
People (in this very thread, so not strawmen!) mischaracterising using any private companies in delivery as taking the NHS out of public hands was exactly the argument that he was responding to.
He is indeed part of the same phenomenon as known misogynistic rapist and people trafficker, Andrew Tate.
Funny how Farage is suddenly okay with people trafficking, though.
I’m canvassing for Labour all morning, voting in the afternoon, seeing Arcade Fire in the evening. So, it’s going to be a good day!
Private healthcare doesn’t come into it. It’s about people who don’t regularly interact with the health service, which is most of us, having stronger opinions about how healthcare is delivered than whether it is.
Nah. This is like the Lib Dems becoming the Official Opposition. Would be great. Not gonna happen.
Average life expectancy for a 61 year-old man is 85, in which case we won’t rejoin till 2048 at the earliest.
That’s also not a fair characterisation of Streeting’s argument. It’s not that they want people to suffer, just that they’re not exposed to the consequences of the policies they’re advocating.
Always good when left wing people repeat Tory talking points.
It’s actually a good idea for him to stay on for a bit. But first, he has to hold on to his seat…
It’s not in the manifesto, which unfortunately means it certainly won’t happen, moral or not.
Wanting the NHS to refuse to use private companies, even if that might mean better outcomes, which is the actual policy and the goal, is a privileged position.
Streeting is not proposing the NHS ‘no longer be in public hands’, so whether views on that are middle class, leftwing or whatever, are not relevant.
They delivered the minimum wage in '97, which is what I was asked about, alongside countless other policies which made the country better.
They might not want those things, but the ‘Captains of industry’ who donated to Labour in 1997 helped deliver those things. And that’s just reality, political or not.
If you select only the messages designed to appeal to the right (to whom they have to appeal if they want to win!), sure. But they’ve also had plenty of leftwing messaging, comparing their plans to Attlee, most obviously. As to Streeting’s comments in particular, it’s the ‘middle class’ bit that’s important: he’s criticising privileged people prioritising grandstanding over getting things done.
More to the point, the policies are much more important than the odd bit of rhetoric.
Labour’s two biggest policy promises are the most ambitious green policies in this country’s history, and the biggest expansion of workers’ rights in half a century, so I don’t see how the suggestion they’re not interested in appealling to the left can be true.
People always say this stuff. Then Labour win and we get things like the NHS or the minimum wage. Next election, they go right back to saying nothing will change. I’m much more interested by the people trying to get things done than the kneejerk cynicism that nothing will happen anyway.
Oh, I never read the comments.
Cheers for the better link!
Just reading this interview with Keir Starmer and it’s funny how he’s absolutely got the number of the people in this thread:
“It reached a point where Labour has, in the past, appeared as if it knew better than working people, and almost in a sort of condescending manner was telling people what they should think and what they should do,” he said.
(My emphasis.)
Counterpoint: no, you can’t.
Starmer will say he hates dogs, I reckon.