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  • halyk.the.red@lemmy.mltoAsklemmy@lemmy.mlReplacement for Dove soap?
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    1 year ago

    You don’t get to become a company able to compete on a global scale without being unethical. Capitalism relies on exploitation.

    What I’m asking is it worth the effort to dig so deep to find negatives? I certainly don’t have the time to do so with every purchase I make. If I can’t afford Tim’s soap, does that make me immoral for having to buy problematic soap?

    I’d have to look into the things you’ve done that you aren’t proud of before I buy from your etsy.

    I agree, know better and do better. But if we need to question our soap purchases, what isn’t being made with questionable methods or intentions?


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    But now we have to research and investigate companies C through Z to make sure they meet our moral standards. We wouldn’t want to give our money to a bad cause. In a profit driven market, win-at-all-cost mentalities are rewarded. Corners get cut, laws are broken, and the fines to pay off the government for breaking those laws are cheaper than the cost to fix the issues and comply with the law. Dig enough and any large corporation will have some level of morality issue. Racist CEO’s, misogynistic HR reps, middle managers that exploit their workers.

    So OP goes online, finds a guy named Tim who makes their own soap. It’s ethical, sustainable, it leaves OP’s skin feeling wonderful. It costs $26 for 8 ounces. When verizon was digging the cables OP used to connect to the internet, they ruined groundhog habitats. The point is, there is always going to be something negative. Good for OP for sticking to their morals and trying to find a soap that invests in something they believe in. So where is the line drawn? Where do you stop investigating businesses to see if their morality matches up with your own? The investors? The CEO? Debra in accounting?

    Also, I’m not pretending they’re all as bad as each other. I know they’re all as bad as each other. Global capitalism is a system in which we’re forced to participate, and now I have to do hours of research to justify a soap purchase so I can feel clean physically and mentally. Now I’m wondering about my coffee purchases. What about that candle I bought?

    I’m not trying to be contrarian or difficult, I’m just trying to provoke thought. I’m sure OP is reading this and is wondering how a simple post about soap could go so far off the rails. We could discuss this and all it’s odds and ends for hours.


  • halyk.the.red@lemmy.mltoAsklemmy@lemmy.mlReplacement for Dove soap?
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    1 year ago

    I agree, if they have the means to switch and can find a suitable replacement, they should. The point I was getting at is that if OP decides to search and dig and research, if they’re able to find a company they agree with, only to get skin they’re not comfortable with, seems like an unfortunate waste of time and effort and money.

    At this point, though, it’s more of a thought experiment of ethical consumption under capitalism. There’s too many ‘if’ statements to realistically defend or justify every line of thought in this discussion. I wish OP the best of luck in finding a new soap.


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    I agree that ethics aren’t binary, and the threshold of your selection is defined by which evils you’re willing to tolerate. How much grey are you willing to support?

    I don’t believe the slope to nihilism is that slippery. I was merely trying to advocate for OP’s mental wellbeing. If they’re able to find a soap they like that isn’t related to the company they’re trying to avoid, good for them.

    However, undoubtedly, whatever company they select will have some shades of grey. For the sake of argument, let’s say Company A is supporting a war OP disagrees with. Company B is committing wage theft and is polluting the environment worse than Company A.

    Now OP has to decide. Short of making their own soap, they have to support something they might not be completely comfortable with. Or, which is the point I was originally trying to make, is that we all have to deal with shady companies doing awful things and there is little we can do about it. So OP might as well use the soap that makes them happy with how their skin feels.

    Or perhaps OP could shoplift the soap they prefer. They get the skin they enjoy without having to support big box stores or they company that makes the soap. We have options here.


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    There’s no ethical consumption under capitalism. Whatever brand you switch to will probably have some horrible shit going on that we’re unaware of. When forced to choose between the lesser of two evils, you still have to justify an evil. Just buy whatever makes you happiest and try to put good into the world.