Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash… and I’m delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever!

  • Baron Munchausen
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  • Ho ho ho! Next you’ll be telling me Trump is the anti-Establishment candidate in the US.

    I use the traditional definition of Establishmemt: all the structures and processes that are used to maintain the political power of inherited wealth in this country. John Gibbs, the cultural writer, describes it as the “Norman Continuity Empire” where 1200 aristocratic familes close to William the Conqueror. The aims of the Tories is to best represent that Establishment and the aims of Labour is to help prevent the redistribution of that wealth.

    I can tell that you like to see yourself as a moderate but knowing that half-a-million children live in extreme poverty (a Westminster calculation) and NOT sorting it out is a crime against those children. Starmer, for example, says that he will maintain the 2-child cap on child benefit at the same time as promising the excessively wealthy that he wont tax them. Both parties and all leaders (with possible exception of Greens) agree on that. And it’s not a moderate position.

    Edited: added the word NOT




  • I think all three of them are not “great reforms”:

    • Great British Energy is a mechanism to attract PRIVATE investment . The actual sums being proposed are to subsidise private enterprise. It’s not a state-owned energy company. Labour spin it like that to appeal to people who want to see utilities brought back into public ownership. The devil is in the detail.
    • Labour MIGHT bring in gender reform but Starmer’s drift towards anti-trans positions doesn’t look promising.
    • Labour have been very clear that they WON’T repeal the existing anti-trade union legislation. This has irked the TUC and Labour are not supporting the TUC taking legal action on an international level.

    We need radical policies that address thr extreme poverty and collapse of our social services in the UK. Things must be made better for the poorest (eg. increasing social security, rent caps, free school meals for all, greatly increase the minimum wage) and start taxing the excessively wealthy and corporations.

    Labour won’t do this because they are now utterly a tool of the Establishment to maintain the power and wealth of the excessively rich.


  • Your analogy is only an analogy. Certainly, on issues I consider important Tories and Labour hold the same positions at the moment. For instance, many people are in utter poverty in this country. We have friends who both work and have to make decisions about whether they pay their extortionate rent or feed their kids. No one in the UK should have to put up with that.

    And what do we hear from Labour? Nothing about rent comtrols, nothing about free school meals, nothing about raising the minimum wage to a genuinely living wage, nothing about taxing the excessively wealthy (or anything about redistributing wealth in fact). All we hear from Labour is that they will - like the Tories - “Grow the economy”. I’m sure you heard Rachel Reeves caught out on LBC recently by having her former words about the need to tax the wealthy.

    Labour - with SIR Keir - are part of the Establishment and exist to make sure that the excessively wealthy and those with inherited wealth maintain their power and economic position.

    That’s not an “optical illusion”, that’s looking at things very clearly in broad daylight. Perhaps your “moderate” postion where you can accept a country where half a million children live in destitution/extreme poverty is the vantage point that needs to be examined.