I don’t think you can say someone voted wrong if they voted for what they believe in. As you say it lies with the parties to win people over (and potentially to reform voting systems so that people can vote for that they want rather than being forced to vote against what they don’t want)

Yeah that’s true. I think the way a lot of people (myself included) read your original comment was that it was blaming those 7 people for voting wrong.

I bet there was more than 7 people who’d claim to be labour supporters who just stayed home.

To government: tax the hell of them

To private parking: only allow them in certain spaces (with big fines of their in other spaces) and charge them triple.

And here’s the kicker: the way climate models work is by predicting the next timeframe based on the previous one. Because of this, your “statistically irrelevant” error becomes larger and larger with each prediction, as the next prediction will be based on these small errors.

Which would be an issue if new models weren’t being made and refined

if you want to trust the GISP2 data)

The poor interpretation of that data you mean?

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change/

or around 7970BC (if you want to go with the multi-core reconstruction method). Plants and animals are still here, aren’t they?

So around the time of the Quaternary extinction event.

Again you seem to be arguing that just because not everything died it’s ok that a lot of stuff died.

Ok so your prediction won’t be perfect, it’ll be a fraction of a percent off one way or another. It will be a figure that’s statistically irrelevant. Flip a coin a ten thousand you’re not likely to get exactly 5000 heads and 5000 tails. You’ll get a bit over five thousand of one and a bit under five thousand of the other. What your really fucking unlikely to get 10000 heads unless your name is Rosencrantz

Was Earth hotter than now before? Sure, why else do we find mummified animals and perfectly preserved roads and settlements under the melting ice!

Except the key point that denialists seem to forget is those changes happened over thousands to tens of thousands of years, not tens of years.

The rapidity is the issue as much or more than the change itself. The speed means plants and animals can’t migrate to areas that are better suited to them climatically, let alone give time for evolutionary based adaptations.

Will temperatures rise indefinitely and kill us all? Probably not.

No it won’t kill us all well recognised.

But it will and has killed many many people. Heat in the climate is energy, more energy is stronger winds and more violent storms. Changes in temperature is winds not blowing as they have for generations. It’s failed monsoons or rains when you expect and need it to be dry. It’s flash floods. It’s droughts. It’s also countries becoming poorer so people migrate it’s increased racial tensions it’s riots, it’s concentration camps.

So, yes I agree it won’t kill us all but it’ll kill a fucking lot of us and a lot of the people it does kill will be the most valuable globally.

Also

the exact data we have to train those models is from the past 150-200 years.

The word exact is doing some heavy fucking lifting in that sentence

We have tens of thousands of years of ice core data and hundreds to thousands of years of tree ring data.

Yes.

Trying to predict the number a roulette ball will fall on is hard. Predicting that it’ll fall on a specific number X% of the time over 16,425 (the number of days in 45 years) spins is easy.

That kid is nothing but a prop human shield to him too.

I thought the glass was going to be unbearable or something.

Of course that’s the reason. It’s got nothing to do with him being a lazy cunt.

Should we ban pubs from having car parks? Since the exhaust fumes are quite toxic.

No, but we should ban the sale of new ICE cars (and in so doing begin a complete phase out) for those reasons and because they’re damaging to the wider environment.

Oh, look we are.

As others have pointed out, 40 year tech still beat current tech.

Ent and lower decks often get skipped, everything else occasionally.

Prodigy, never. That theme is up there with Voy and DS9.

Eye watering fines for the company (say 25% of global turnover) and the ceo’s of said companies should be held personally liable and receive eye watering fines (25% of net worth). Would help plug the hole in the budget the Tories left too.

You’re going to fall foul of anti money laundering checks very hard and fast. There’s no way you’d be able to buy property, let alone in a month.

Hey, Prodigy is great. Of course they tried to cancel it.

Plus, having a bag is fucking revolutionary. I used to empty a cyclone type vac pretty much every time I used it, complete with clouds of dust. Henry every few months I have to take the bag out and pop in a new one. No mess, no fuss. Plus, the bags have filters in them, so no having to clean the filters under the tap (again getting dusty) and wait a couple of days for them to dry.

They also had to russle up a lot of candidates and hope to hell that no dirt was dragged up about them because there wasn’t time to vet them.

You need to have people to nominate the candidate

10 per candidate. However, they could easily have just been given the name and told that’s who they were nominating.

to be handed in by either the election agent or the candidate themselves.

Unlike voting don’t need to present ID to be a candidate. So a couple of people could have made their way around presenting papers.

That’s a shame. I was hoping for jail time for the leadership.

What would be the legal consequences for reform and their leadership if it is found that they have done this?