maybe not fire rockets into Israel? Killing civilians and taking hostages also did not help in this conflict I suppose. And let’s not forget it’s not only the Hamas that is fueling this conflict but Iran and some Jihad terror groups too…
We have Israel on one side of the conflict and they did their fair share of atrocities but they are only one side of this mess.
No, not what they’re not supposed to do, what are they supposed to do? Because they’ve already tried peace multiple times and it didn’t work. It’s still not working in the West Bank.
which still sucks because of the civilian casualites. But how do you fight a terror organisation that is hiding behind their citizens and I dont say that mass bombing is the answer, cause I don’t have one. But I understand that there is a need to defend yourself from such terrorists.
Then perhaps Israel should have maintained their border security with Gaza instead of pulling IDF forces away to assist with the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. If the “settlers” didn’t need IDF protection for their raping and pillaging, the border of Gaza would have been better watched during when the Hamas attack happened.
uff…dont know how to respond that. Any valid source for those accusations?
Especially for the raping and pillaging under the watch of the IDF, cause this is some hefty shit.
Can’t you guys keep this more civilized without insulting each other. People have different opinions and we should respect that even if we don’t fully agree with one another.
and Isreal is shooting missles as an effect of the missles send from Gazah every day. So what? You created an Ouroboros, congrats to that. This won’t end until either side stops.
If you really want to trace all this back to the root it was the Arab states that started the 1948 war that kicked all this off. I can understand why they did but still, that was what set us down this mess of a road.
Yeah that’s why I said I understand their motivations for the war. It’s messy, I don’t have any answers. I just wish the cycle of violence would end already.
Insane that this comment is downvoted. There are 1400 dead Israeli civilians and hundreds more still held hostage by Hamas. If they want peace so bad, maybe release the hostages?
Ah yes the UN stopped mattering the minute it started reporting on Israel’s horrendous human rights violation. Suddenly they don’t matter as a body. I suppose every human rights organization that has been documenting Israeli crimes is also not good enough?
maybe not fire rockets into Israel? Killing civilians and taking hostages also did not help in this conflict I suppose. And let’s not forget it’s not only the Hamas that is fueling this conflict but Iran and some Jihad terror groups too…
We have Israel on one side of the conflict and they did their fair share of atrocities but they are only one side of this mess.
No, not what they’re not supposed to do, what are they supposed to do? Because they’ve already tried peace multiple times and it didn’t work. It’s still not working in the West Bank.
well then let’s see who wins, right. /s
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which still sucks because of the civilian casualites. But how do you fight a terror organisation that is hiding behind their citizens and I dont say that mass bombing is the answer, cause I don’t have one. But I understand that there is a need to defend yourself from such terrorists.
Then perhaps Israel should have maintained their border security with Gaza instead of pulling IDF forces away to assist with the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. If the “settlers” didn’t need IDF protection for their raping and pillaging, the border of Gaza would have been better watched during when the Hamas attack happened.
uff…dont know how to respond that. Any valid source for those accusations? Especially for the raping and pillaging under the watch of the IDF, cause this is some hefty shit.
I didn’t have the time to pull quotes from the articles, but I tried to pull articles from a variety of sources to prevent claims of source bias.
About reallocation of weapons and forces: https://archive.ph/20231021154000/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-20/ty-article/.premium/idf-took-away-weapons-from-gaza-border-towns-and-armed-w-bank-settlers-in-the-thousands/0000018b-4d6d-dbe0-a38b-cdfd0d4f0000
Article from September about Israeli invasion into the West Bank: https://archive.ph/C27qm
Settler attack from the day before the Hamas attack: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-killed-during-settler-assault-west-bank-town-palestinian-officials-2023-10-06/
Ongoing violence from the settlers: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67173344
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/21/gaza-palestinians-west-bank-violence-attacks-israeli-settlers
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231020-israel-soldiers-and-settlers-blindfold-beat-urinate-sexually-assault-palestinian-activists-in-west-bank/
https://archive.ph/20230730000151/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-01/ty-article/.premium/settler-violence-in-the-west-bank-isnt-an-oversight-its-a-long-standing-policy/00000189-0abc-d572-af9b-0afffdd50000
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-settlers-soldiers-severe-abuse-report
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-west-bank-settlers-riot-shot-abducted
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Can’t you guys keep this more civilized without insulting each other. People have different opinions and we should respect that even if we don’t fully agree with one another.
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You know the basic concept of cause and effect, right?
Well, palestinians are firing missiles into israel as an effect caused by israel firing missiles into gaza and west bank.
And what happened before that?
and Isreal is shooting missles as an effect of the missles send from Gazah every day. So what? You created an Ouroboros, congrats to that. This won’t end until either side stops.
If you really want to trace all this back to the root it was the Arab states that started the 1948 war that kicked all this off. I can understand why they did but still, that was what set us down this mess of a road.
Root cause goes back further than that, but also having your land cut up by colonials and then kicked out would absolutely piss off the Arab popular.
Yeah that’s why I said I understand their motivations for the war. It’s messy, I don’t have any answers. I just wish the cycle of violence would end already.
Yeah no sorry cause and effect is only acceptable when Israel kills civilians. Otherwise it’s an unprovoked conflict or some other such excuse.
You and me both. It is a shit show with no end in sight. People will keep killing each other for their interpret of an old work of fiction.
Insane that this comment is downvoted. There are 1400 dead Israeli civilians and hundreds more still held hostage by Hamas. If they want peace so bad, maybe release the hostages?
Depitie this, Israel responds by bombing civilians. I believe that’s the reason for the downvoted and I agree.
They’re not intentionally bombing civilians. They even specifically tell civilians where not to be.
That’s a big difference between the two adversaries.
I don’t really know how naive you have to be to believe that about Israel.
I just don’t dive face-first into propaganda and like, read.
Do you dive into UN resolutions against Israel though?
Not generally, no. The UN is, ultimately, a political body.
I’d take the UN more seriously if they took themselves more seriously. Their “Human Rights Council” membership, as an example, is a bad joke.
https://www.un.org/en/ga/75/meetings/elections/hrc.shtml#:~:text=Elections and Appointments,-Election of the&text=The General Assembly elected the,beginning on 1 January 2021.
I think there is value in the UN, and it’s a net positive, but I don’t much care about any specific resolutions.
Ah yes the UN stopped mattering the minute it started reporting on Israel’s horrendous human rights violation. Suddenly they don’t matter as a body. I suppose every human rights organization that has been documenting Israeli crimes is also not good enough?