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    USD is based on the extraordinary privilege of global hegemony. That privilege has an expiry date coming up soon.

    Meanwhile other countries are starting to trade with their own currencies, which are based off the production within their own borders. They’re dedollarizing and they’re creating new international norms based on the principle of respectful cooperation and mutual benefit.

    It’s very clear which model is more stable and sustainable.

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            A continuation of what has been happening for decades. Other people are just trying to get a piece of their pie. It is nothing new.

            The problem with BRICS is more than half those involved aren’t stable. They’re politically or financially corrupt or worse depend on the West to even function in the first place. Doomed to fail mostly because of the involvement of selfish actors: Russia, SA, India.

            BRICS has more beef with each other than the West half the time. How are India and China going to work together economically when they can’t even settle land disputes? How will BRICS continue when fossil fuels are worthless and half of them are financially empty now? It’s just not realistic.

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              Yes thats why BRICS exists. To stop having to rely on the west (under their shitty terms), breaking up the hegemony of the dollar in the process.

              Also it is a long-term project, we won’t be seeing a miracle overnight.

              More than just about petrol, too.

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      The only countries that rival the dollar are falling apart what are you talking about?

      Russia. Lol.

      Every single time America experiences a financial tumble China over shadows that tumble far far worse. There is literally cities unused because nobody bought that property. China is bleeding hard as hell these days

      India is constant political turmoil.

      So I ask again. Who is better than the dollar? Because it ain’t those three.

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        Why do you assume that the USD must be replaced with an equally hegemonic and extraordinarily privileged currency?

        Why do you believe what the US government and US billionaires tell you to think about foreign countries?

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            It’s hard to say for certain as these things are in constant development and refinement, but the broad themes are clear. It’ll likely be a combination of bilateral currency swap deals, as was common practice pre-WWII, and multilateral institutions governing currency baskets or supranational units of account, similar to Keynes’ proposed Bancor, and thus keeping international balance of payments within healthy and sustainable parameters.

            The bilateral agreements are already starting as the US is no longer able to militarily or economically threaten anyone who doesn’t use USD as their international unit of account. The second will take more time, but institutions like the BRICS bank and the Shanghai Cooperation Agreement are working in that direction. These institutions are based on cooperation and mutual benefit of all parties involved, in stark contrast to the US and its Bretton Woods institutions which make sure the US always wins.

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              BRICs is a mess. Call me when they actually can mobilize something significant.

              I’m not saying America can’t fall but there just is no alternative right now and likely not soon at all. When the dollar falls everyone else will fall before it and likely little places will boil to the top as history always shows. It will not be the members of BRICs or China or India. It will be some country is the shadow of the US similar to the US only overtaking England because they piggy backed off its fall

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                I asked before and I’ll ask again. Why do you assume the USD must be replaced by something exactly like it?

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                  What does that even mean? What will it be replaced by crypto? Time? Blood?

                  If currency is replaced by something other than currency the entire geopolitical and economic landscape we understand will be irrelevant and no longer are we talking about the same topic.

                  Otherwise, because that’s how our economy has grown to work.

                  You’re not asking a real question, you’re overloading the question with a what if rabbit out of the hat, bigfoot nonexistent bullshit.

                  It’s just really not happening, the USD is locked in.

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                    All this tells me is that you haven’t understood anything I’ve written here. Neither is this about which currency I use to buy groceries or which one you use to buy gas. This is about how international transactions between different countries and different national currencies are settled.

                    I never said currency will be replaced with some undefined non-monetary thing. I said that one currency (USD) will be replaced with many on the international stage. In fact it’s already happening.

                    There is, believe it or not, a vast array of possibility between a single hegemonic currency linked to a single global hegemon and no currency at all. How do you think international trade worked for a couple centuries before the US organized its dollar to be the world reserve currency?

                    I agree that dedollarization will change our economic and political paradigms. I agree that a lot of the ways in which we think about these things today will be irrelevant in the dedollarized future.

                    If you’re interested in how we got to where we are today, I recommend Michael Hudson’s work.