Surprising no one. You can’t defeat something like Hamas through violence. Each time Israel bombs a building and collapses on a family it just serves as a recruiting tool. You need to solve this through peace and not just a negative peace but, a positive peace that maximises justice.
Unfortunately, you can defeat an organization like Hamas purely through violence. It’s just that the only level of violence capable of doing so demands a total genocide. Which Israel looks likely to attempt to complete while the world wrings its hands.
The lack of interest in even an unequal peace on Israel’s part in favor of genociding Palestinians would, in an ideal world, open a great number of eyes. But I’m not particularly hopeful. People have short memories and little interest in foreign affairs.
Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them (total of 20 offers):
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
The other claim that Palestinians never tried to have peace is asenine too. My previous comment about Rabin and Arafat debunks your ridiculous claim I’m not going to bother addressing every single other propaganda point.
Israel is actively the aggressor in the West Bank where Palestinians are literally just trying to chill and have peace.
Your list contains insane demands from. Israel which naturally got rejected. Even the israeli leaders said those deals were ridiculous afterwards.
It’s a completely irrelevant list. Just delete it entirely.
I don’t think I can agree with this conclusion. Hamas has considerably lower approval ratings and there is also far less support for violent action like October 7 in Gaza compared to the West Bank. If what you said were true, then we would see the opposite effect. Here’s a fascinating poll from a Palestinian research organization on this:
I think directly experiencing the enormous discrepancy in fighting power between Hamas and the IDF, especially at the scale of a full-on war, has been a sobering moment for many Gazans.
That is a faulty conclusion to draw as it assumes that the Palestinian living in Gaza and the Palestinian living in the West Bank have the same views of Hamas before the war, during and after the war. The link you posted even says this on the matter:
Support for armed struggle rises ten percentage points compared to three months ago, with more than 60% saying it is the best means of ending the Israeli occupation; in the West Bank, the percentage rises further to close to 70%. Moreover, a majority in the West Bank believes that the formation of armed groups in communities subject to settler attacks is the most effective means of combating settler terrorism against towns and villages in the West Bank.
Heck, in Gaza support for armed struggle against Israel rose from 50-51% before the war in September 22-23 to 56% in December 23. A much larger rise was even seen in amongst Palestinian in the west bank were support for armed resistance basically doubled. So basically at worse Israeli actions have dramatically increased the desire for armed conflict in the West bank and kept the desire in Gaza the same according to the link you posted.
If you read Hamas charter, you understand that they want to rule in Israel’s territory. This is what they live for, this is their purpose in this life. And they’ll never stop until it will happen.
However, it will never happen, therefore a peace will never happen.
When a peace never happens, this is when you have non-stop wars.
Surprising no one. You can’t defeat something like Hamas through violence. Each time Israel bombs a building and collapses on a family it just serves as a recruiting tool. You need to solve this through peace and not just a negative peace but, a positive peace that maximises justice.
Unfortunately, you can defeat an organization like Hamas purely through violence. It’s just that the only level of violence capable of doing so demands a total genocide. Which Israel looks likely to attempt to complete while the world wrings its hands.
The lack of interest in even an unequal peace on Israel’s part in favor of genociding Palestinians would, in an ideal world, open a great number of eyes. But I’m not particularly hopeful. People have short memories and little interest in foreign affairs.
TLDR; The Palestinians don’t want peace.
Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them (total of 20 offers):
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.
Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -
None
Rabin got assassinated by Netanyahus party. Israel refused the peace deal. Why are you lying?
Thanks I removed it from the list.
The Palestinians don’t want peace. They want to undo the what so called “Nakba”. A thing that will never happen as long as Israel exists.
The other claim that Palestinians never tried to have peace is asenine too. My previous comment about Rabin and Arafat debunks your ridiculous claim I’m not going to bother addressing every single other propaganda point.
Israel is actively the aggressor in the West Bank where Palestinians are literally just trying to chill and have peace.
Your list contains insane demands from. Israel which naturally got rejected. Even the israeli leaders said those deals were ridiculous afterwards.
It’s a completely irrelevant list. Just delete it entirely.
Please also list the reasons for rejection. I am sure every one of these offerings were 100% reasonable and Palestine just loves being subjegated.
I don’t think I can agree with this conclusion. Hamas has considerably lower approval ratings and there is also far less support for violent action like October 7 in Gaza compared to the West Bank. If what you said were true, then we would see the opposite effect. Here’s a fascinating poll from a Palestinian research organization on this:
https://pcpsr.org/en/node/961
I think directly experiencing the enormous discrepancy in fighting power between Hamas and the IDF, especially at the scale of a full-on war, has been a sobering moment for many Gazans.
That is a faulty conclusion to draw as it assumes that the Palestinian living in Gaza and the Palestinian living in the West Bank have the same views of Hamas before the war, during and after the war. The link you posted even says this on the matter:
Heck, in Gaza support for armed struggle against Israel rose from 50-51% before the war in September 22-23 to 56% in December 23. A much larger rise was even seen in amongst Palestinian in the west bank were support for armed resistance basically doubled. So basically at worse Israeli actions have dramatically increased the desire for armed conflict in the West bank and kept the desire in Gaza the same according to the link you posted.
If you read Hamas charter, you understand that they want to rule in Israel’s territory. This is what they live for, this is their purpose in this life. And they’ll never stop until it will happen.
However, it will never happen, therefore a peace will never happen.
When a peace never happens, this is when you have non-stop wars.
Unfortunately, it will never change.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
Hamas doesn’t seem interested in ruling the US or Europe.