At a star-studded fundraiser for President Joe Biden in Los Angeles last month, George Clooney wasn’t the only one who came away concerned about the president.
Not sure I would ever describe Biden’s behavior as malicious, unless ofc I missed something. Trump, on the other hand, is almost always verbally attacking someone else or otherwise sowing dissent. Kinda the definition of malicious intent.
Genocide isn’t malicious? Could’ve fooled me. Furthering Imperialism, ie maintaining hegemony against the Global South is another major issue, of course. We can go back and forth but at the end of the day, Biden is a Neoliberal Right Winger in charge of the world’s largest Empire, his hands aren’t clean.
I think you might have a somewhat warped understanding of what the office of President actually is. Sure it has tremendous influence over the higher branches of the federal government and therefore the nation, and to a lesser extent the world. But, the office is hardly all powerful or even particularly capable of making all the decisions. The President can never be wholly to blame for all the bad things happening in the world, as much as we’d all like too.
Also, at no point have I actually argued that either one of our favorite culturally relevant old guys is good or bad. I only ever hinted at the inherent intent behind their actions and words, and questioned the soundness of electing someone that takes perverse joy in proving that he’s an overcooked cunt. Biden at the very least tries to mumble his way to kindness.
I think you might have a somewhat warped understanding of what the office of President actually is.
Not at all, I just disagree with you politically.
Sure it has tremendous influence over the higher branches of the federal government and therefore the nation, and to a lesser extent the world. But, the office is hardly all powerful or even particularly capable of making all the decisions.
The President can be held accountable for their actions, and the people they put into positions of power. Bypassing Congress to send more aid to Israel wasn’t a requirement, but Biden is a self-admitted Zionist.
The President can never be wholly to blame for all the bad things happening in the world, as much as we’d all like too.
Nope, just the decisions they’ve made, including maintaining the status quo of a crumbling genocidal empire and handing the win over to Trump.
Also, at no point have I actually argued that either one of our favorite culturally relevant old guys is good or bad.
You did, by implying genocide can be done with positive intent.
I only ever hinted at the inherent intent behind their actions and words, and questioned the soundness of electing someone that takes perverse joy in proving that he’s an overcooked cunt.
Trump is appealing to his voterbase, that’s politics. Biden could take a lesson or two from that and actually try to energize his base, or else we will see Trump in office again.
Biden at the very least tries to mumble his way to kindness.
No, he doesn’t, this is you projecting your idealism onto a career politician, and a Neoliberal at that.
Kinda hard to know if that’s true considering I still haven’t stated any political opinions. However, since that’s clearly what you want, I think practically every politician (or anyone in a significant position of power) on the planet is a massive fucking tool barely deserving of the title of human, not exactly what I’d call idealism. Trump and Biden may both fit this description, but I’m still not naive enough to put them together on the podium of shitty human beings.
Kinda hard to know if that’s true considering I still haven’t stated any political opinions.
This entire discussion has been political opinion. You don’t have to spell out “I want xyz policy/system” for something to be political.
However, since that’s clearly what you want, I think practically every politician (or anyone in a significant position of power) on the planet is a massive fucking tool barely deserving of the title of human and not exactly what I’d call idealism.
Got it, then we agree that Biden is a malicious monster commiting genocide and we don’t need to “actually, he’s a smol bean kind grandpa in a bad system” him.
Trump and Biden may both fit this description, but I’m still not naive enough to put them together on the podium of shitty human beings.
Where is the line you would put them both close enough to have them on the podium of shitty human beings? Both are genocidal Zionists, that’s pretty bad. Both support American Imperialism, that’s pretty bad too. Biden is softer on LGBT issues than Trump, this is true, but having a less anti-LGBT stance doesn’t erase the blood on his hands.
I think maybe this whole ‘political’ vs ‘not political’ thing is where we’re getting stuck.
I would argue that at least my part in this thread hasn’t been political at all, but instead a rather simple comment on the character of the two candidates. I’m more concerned with how they conduct themselves as people, not the policies they push as politicians. This is more a question of ethics and morality on human to human level. Your pointing out the ethics of genocide and capitalism. Which are great and completely valid points, but they’re also large nebulous concepts that can rarely ever land fully on the shoulders of one person. Kinda outside the scope of my original comment.
I haven’t brought up any specific details of eithers presidency because I have no meaningful opinions on that front. However, the simple fact that one of them has literally on multiple occasions outright glorified raping women and the other won’t pardon his own son of a serious crime is more than enough for me to put them on completely different shit podiums.
Both are blathering idiots, and both are malicious, the positions held are different but neither Presidential Candidate can be considered “good.”
Not sure I would ever describe Biden’s behavior as malicious, unless ofc I missed something. Trump, on the other hand, is almost always verbally attacking someone else or otherwise sowing dissent. Kinda the definition of malicious intent.
Genocide isn’t malicious? Could’ve fooled me. Furthering Imperialism, ie maintaining hegemony against the Global South is another major issue, of course. We can go back and forth but at the end of the day, Biden is a Neoliberal Right Winger in charge of the world’s largest Empire, his hands aren’t clean.
I think you might have a somewhat warped understanding of what the office of President actually is. Sure it has tremendous influence over the higher branches of the federal government and therefore the nation, and to a lesser extent the world. But, the office is hardly all powerful or even particularly capable of making all the decisions. The President can never be wholly to blame for all the bad things happening in the world, as much as we’d all like too.
Also, at no point have I actually argued that either one of our favorite culturally relevant old guys is good or bad. I only ever hinted at the inherent intent behind their actions and words, and questioned the soundness of electing someone that takes perverse joy in proving that he’s an overcooked cunt. Biden at the very least tries to mumble his way to kindness.
Not at all, I just disagree with you politically.
The President can be held accountable for their actions, and the people they put into positions of power. Bypassing Congress to send more aid to Israel wasn’t a requirement, but Biden is a self-admitted Zionist.
Nope, just the decisions they’ve made, including maintaining the status quo of a crumbling genocidal empire and handing the win over to Trump.
You did, by implying genocide can be done with positive intent.
Trump is appealing to his voterbase, that’s politics. Biden could take a lesson or two from that and actually try to energize his base, or else we will see Trump in office again.
No, he doesn’t, this is you projecting your idealism onto a career politician, and a Neoliberal at that.
Kinda hard to know if that’s true considering I still haven’t stated any political opinions. However, since that’s clearly what you want, I think practically every politician (or anyone in a significant position of power) on the planet is a massive fucking tool barely deserving of the title of human, not exactly what I’d call idealism. Trump and Biden may both fit this description, but I’m still not naive enough to put them together on the podium of shitty human beings.
This entire discussion has been political opinion. You don’t have to spell out “I want xyz policy/system” for something to be political.
Got it, then we agree that Biden is a malicious monster commiting genocide and we don’t need to “actually, he’s a smol bean kind grandpa in a bad system” him.
Where is the line you would put them both close enough to have them on the podium of shitty human beings? Both are genocidal Zionists, that’s pretty bad. Both support American Imperialism, that’s pretty bad too. Biden is softer on LGBT issues than Trump, this is true, but having a less anti-LGBT stance doesn’t erase the blood on his hands.
I think maybe this whole ‘political’ vs ‘not political’ thing is where we’re getting stuck.
I would argue that at least my part in this thread hasn’t been political at all, but instead a rather simple comment on the character of the two candidates. I’m more concerned with how they conduct themselves as people, not the policies they push as politicians. This is more a question of ethics and morality on human to human level. Your pointing out the ethics of genocide and capitalism. Which are great and completely valid points, but they’re also large nebulous concepts that can rarely ever land fully on the shoulders of one person. Kinda outside the scope of my original comment.
I haven’t brought up any specific details of eithers presidency because I have no meaningful opinions on that front. However, the simple fact that one of them has literally on multiple occasions outright glorified raping women and the other won’t pardon his own son of a serious crime is more than enough for me to put them on completely different shit podiums.