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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Science@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 months ago

Analysis: Nuclear war would be more devastating for Earth’s climate than cold war predictions

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Analysis: Nuclear war would be more devastating for Earth’s climate than cold war predictions

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Science@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 months ago
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Professor Mark Maslin (UCL Geography) highlights in The Conversation research that used modern climate models to map the effects of a nuclear war, and which found the resulting nuclear winter would plunge the planet into a “nuclear little ice age” lasting thousands of years.
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    Yea, I don’t think we’d have to worry about it much though.

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      Given that the US is currently debating whether to start a full on WW3, it’s absolutely something to worry about right now.

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        I hadn’t heard that. Do you have a source for that?

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          It’s probably a discussion for allowing Ukraine to do what they want with long range weapons.

          Russia has made pretty direct statements about what happens then - they will consider NATO to be in direct war with Russia.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-threatens-ukraine-west-long-range-strikes-decision-looms-2024-09-14/

          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-west-will-be-fighting-directly-with-russia-if-it-lets-kyiv-use-long-2024-09-12/

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            Russia claiming X means war with NATO has been a bit of a recurring theme throughout the war.

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              Please do provide a previous official quote from Russia stating that. I’ll save you the trouble though, cause it doesn’t exist.

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                Putin: NATO’s Approval of Use of Long-Range Missiles by Ukraine Will Mean It is at War With Russia

                ‘Extremely Clear’: Kremlin Comments on Putin’s Warning About West’s Arms Striking Deep Into Russia

                Putin Warns NATO Long-Range Missile Strikes Will Put Them at War with Russia

                Russia warns NATO of ‘direct war’ over Ukraine

                Enemies must realize Russia could go nuclear – ex-Kremlin adviser

                Do note that I did not have to look for “western anti russian propaganda media” like… mainstream news. These are Russian state sponsored news websites.

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                  Yes, all of those say that use of long range missiles within Russia would be the red line. And the reason it would be a red line is because this would be NATO personnel doing strikes directly into Russia.

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                    Idk where you’re going with this, I just felt like looking for direct quotes, because you asked for any quote from Russian officials saying that X would mean war with NATO.

                    While stating :

                    I’ll save you the trouble though, cause it doesn’t exist.

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                Ah, I might’ve mixed it up with threatening or insinuating nuclear war.

                Either way, it just seems like more sabre-rattling. Also, it’s not something that the US is doing, it’s something that Putin’s being a pansy about.

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                  This is an absolutely deranged attitude to have towards a possibility of starting a nuclear war. It absolutely isn’t going to matter who you think pansy was about what when we all die. One has to be an imbecile to be willing to gamble with the future of all humanity over western hegemonic interests.

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                    My attitude isn’t going to matter if we all die. Neither will yours, lol

                    […] gamble the future of humanity over western hegemonic interests

                    …I thought this was about Ukraine fighting back against the country that’s been invading it

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          US is about to approve deep strikes into Russia. The difference here from previous escalations is that the strikes would have to be done by NATO personnel. Russia stated that it would consider this to be a direct act of war by NATO against Russia because it would be NATO troops launching strikes into Russia. At that point we are effectively in WW3 between NATO and Russia.

          • https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-long-distance-missile-biden-starmer-e4c7b590e8f89167f639969f75762fbb
          • https://news.sky.com/story/putin-long-range-missile-approval-will-put-nato-at-war-with-russia-13213722
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            Thank you! I read most of the first one and skimmed the second – I don’t get why they strikes would need to be done by NATO personnel.

            Both articles allude to the fact that Putin considers it to be an attack by NATO because they’d be NATO-supplied weapons, but given his track record, he’d probably say anything more than turning a blind eye is an offense by NATO.

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              The strikes have to be done by NATO personnel because these missiles use NATO satellite guidance, and are designed to only be operated by military personnel of the respective countries. This was earlier confirmed by Scholtz as a justification for not sending taurus missiles to Ukraine, and the leaked conversation of German officers.

              Western media omits the important part of the statement, but If you listen to what he says, he’s specifically talking about NATO personnel operating the weapons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjK08eM1Ys

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                That could make sense. I’m not familiar enough with military weaponry to know how true it all is

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                  I’m sure Scholz is properly informed on the subject https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/british-soldiers-in-ukraine-germany-b2504462.html

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                    Ah, so if they just provide training to members of the Ukrainian military, then everything’s fine in Putin’s eyes? Loopholes are great

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        I’m not talking about nuclear war. I’m talking about the climate after a nuclear war - what the article and the headline is about. The implication of my comment is that there would be no people to worry about the climate because they’d all be dead on account of global thermonuclear war.

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          Ah yeah, vast majority of human population isn’t going to be worried about much of anything once we’re dead.

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