This and Discovery are Star Treks I have not seen all of. I just can’t with that song. Either version. Discovery is a me problem, I saw new Klingons again and didn’t even wait for an explanation. I did not want to wonder or sit through the explanation. I have been thinking of getting back around on trying Discovery again.
Well, I can help answer questions on the Discovery front. I love all of Trek but Discovery is tied with TNG for my personal favorites.
A lot of people get put off by Discovery because it’s a very different beast when it comes to Star Trek. First thing that irked people was a visual reboot. The show stays within canon/lore, despite complaints otherwise, but there are visual inconsistencies the same way there are with Strange New Worlds. However the Klingons got a pretty severe redesign, one that put me off too. I didn’t bother watching Discovery until Season 2 came out and I had seen trailers of Pike. There is no real explanation for as to why the Klingons looked so different from what we know. You can argue that it’s the same sort of genetic impact that made the klingons look like just dudes with eyebrows in TOS but it’s a bit of a stretch. The second season remedies this a bit. They start to get closer to what we know for Klingons and by Strange New Worlds they’re a really faithful adaptation. Also, while the Klingons play a pretty major role in the first season, it’s not as much as you’d think. By Season 2 it’s even less.
I would recommend trying Discovery. The first season is rough but up until really recently (SNW and I’d argue Lower Decks) no Star Trek show has had a solid first season. They’re always rocky and trying to find it’s footing. By Season 2 they’re off running. The entire vibe and pacing feels different, a whole new fresh breath of life into the show. Each Season it finds its footing better. However the other thing to keep in mind is that it is very serialized. This isn’t like TNG or VOY where you can watch a random episode and still get, generally, the same consistency. It’s a story that’s meant to be told with each episode being a part of that story. The stakes are also stupendously high in comparison to most of Trek. Like galactic level threats. That can also put a lot of people off and get very tedious/exhausting. I understand it but that’s also just what the show is. The USS Discovery was bred for high stakes and she doesn’t respond for anything less. As the only surviving example of her Class, she tends to take that seriously. Literally She, you’ll know what I mean if you do watch it. Her crew feels the same. The Next Generation was boldy exploring but Discovery is courageously defending. Same Star Trek, different mission statement.
Sorry. I’m a fan of the show. It gets a bad rap sometimes because I think people just have their expectations set for something different. If you go in expecting high stakes Star Trek, with a dash of wonderful goofiness, then you’ll probably have a better experience.
Thanks!
I have caught some (3 in our house, one watches Discovery one watches Enterprise, I have seen some of each with them) but Discovery I had no idea what was happening, as you mentioned it’s meant to watch as a whole. Some of that second season did have me stuck looking even though I was lost, lol.
I’m wrapping up a couple other series I’ve been watching so I may go ahead and try it again when those are done. Since you did give it such a glowing review (and I have admittedly been curious about that spore drive too)!
Well if you’ve ever got questions, feel free to ask! If I can’t answer then someone else can. There’s a reason I chose the name Stamets. The spore drive also happens to be cool as fuck. Sure it’s new and strange but oh my god does it look so fucking cool when the ship jumps. Also all the jokes about skipping along mushroom space are fantastic.
Yeah. I found the Discovery Klingons tiresome to have constantly on screen.
The new “old Klingons” are pretty cool though. I adore the revelation that Klingon technology has been degrading from it’s former glory for centuries. It explains a lot about how such a violent feudal society has 24th century technology. It’s implied that the Klingons are on their way toward a new dark ages after having previously achieved 26th century level technology.
I don’t really see how it makes a huge difference either way to be honest. The show also gives multiple answers as to why the Spore Drive isn’t used beyond this one ship.
Plus, we got to explore an era we’ve never seen on screen (outside of The Cage) and we got to see Pike for the first time in 50 years which spawned Strange New Worlds. Pretty good trade off, all things considered.
I mean all of that could have been covered with strange new worlds being its own thing. The timeline just made the technology they had really wierd and the klingon look could have been easily explained after voyager as them getting closer to their true look and the worf look being a halfway point. Also getting away from secret spock relatives would have been great.
I mean all of that could have been covered with strange new worlds being its own thing.
Which only happened because of fans pushing for it after Discovery Season 2.
The timeline just made the technology they had really wierd
The only technology that doesn’t fit is the Spore Drive which was explained. Holograms being around kinda fit with holographic tech being shown in Enterprise. Plus Voyager said that holograms were used around the same time.
klingon look could have been easily explained after voyager as them getting closer to their true look and the worf look being a halfway point.
The look still sucked though. The issue wasn’t that the Klingons had an updated look, that was explained away as a visual reboot. The issue was the look was just outright bad. It looked nothing like the Klingons. Even if the show were set after Voyager, people would have still had a problem with the design.
Also getting away from secret spock relatives would have been great.
That’s personal preference. I liked seeing it. Also it’s not like that’s unprecedented. He didn’t tell Kirk about his wife, didn’t tell him that Ambassador Sarek was his father, and didn’t tell him about his secret brother Sybock.
Like I said, I don’t see how it makes a huge difference either way. I get personal preference but it’s not served any better by being set after Voyager than it was before. If it was set after Voyager we wouldn’t have gotten Strange New Worlds, wouldn’t have gotten the amazing display of Pike in Season 2.
This and Discovery are Star Treks I have not seen all of. I just can’t with that song. Either version. Discovery is a me problem, I saw new Klingons again and didn’t even wait for an explanation. I did not want to wonder or sit through the explanation. I have been thinking of getting back around on trying Discovery again.
Well, I can help answer questions on the Discovery front. I love all of Trek but Discovery is tied with TNG for my personal favorites.
A lot of people get put off by Discovery because it’s a very different beast when it comes to Star Trek. First thing that irked people was a visual reboot. The show stays within canon/lore, despite complaints otherwise, but there are visual inconsistencies the same way there are with Strange New Worlds. However the Klingons got a pretty severe redesign, one that put me off too. I didn’t bother watching Discovery until Season 2 came out and I had seen trailers of Pike. There is no real explanation for as to why the Klingons looked so different from what we know. You can argue that it’s the same sort of genetic impact that made the klingons look like just dudes with eyebrows in TOS but it’s a bit of a stretch. The second season remedies this a bit. They start to get closer to what we know for Klingons and by Strange New Worlds they’re a really faithful adaptation. Also, while the Klingons play a pretty major role in the first season, it’s not as much as you’d think. By Season 2 it’s even less.
I would recommend trying Discovery. The first season is rough but up until really recently (SNW and I’d argue Lower Decks) no Star Trek show has had a solid first season. They’re always rocky and trying to find it’s footing. By Season 2 they’re off running. The entire vibe and pacing feels different, a whole new fresh breath of life into the show. Each Season it finds its footing better. However the other thing to keep in mind is that it is very serialized. This isn’t like TNG or VOY where you can watch a random episode and still get, generally, the same consistency. It’s a story that’s meant to be told with each episode being a part of that story. The stakes are also stupendously high in comparison to most of Trek. Like galactic level threats. That can also put a lot of people off and get very tedious/exhausting. I understand it but that’s also just what the show is. The USS Discovery was bred for high stakes and she doesn’t respond for anything less. As the only surviving example of her Class, she tends to take that seriously. Literally She, you’ll know what I mean if you do watch it. Her crew feels the same. The Next Generation was boldy exploring but Discovery is courageously defending. Same Star Trek, different mission statement.
Sorry. I’m a fan of the show. It gets a bad rap sometimes because I think people just have their expectations set for something different. If you go in expecting high stakes Star Trek, with a dash of wonderful goofiness, then you’ll probably have a better experience.
tl;dr it good. plz try?
Thanks! I have caught some (3 in our house, one watches Discovery one watches Enterprise, I have seen some of each with them) but Discovery I had no idea what was happening, as you mentioned it’s meant to watch as a whole. Some of that second season did have me stuck looking even though I was lost, lol. I’m wrapping up a couple other series I’ve been watching so I may go ahead and try it again when those are done. Since you did give it such a glowing review (and I have admittedly been curious about that spore drive too)!
Well if you’ve ever got questions, feel free to ask! If I can’t answer then someone else can. There’s a reason I chose the name Stamets. The spore drive also happens to be cool as fuck. Sure it’s new and strange but oh my god does it look so fucking cool when the ship jumps. Also all the jokes about skipping along mushroom space are fantastic.
Yeah. I found the Discovery Klingons tiresome to have constantly on screen.
The new “old Klingons” are pretty cool though. I adore the revelation that Klingon technology has been degrading from it’s former glory for centuries. It explains a lot about how such a violent feudal society has 24th century technology. It’s implied that the Klingons are on their way toward a new dark ages after having previously achieved 26th century level technology.
Discovery would have worked way better if it had been set after voyager.
I don’t really see how it makes a huge difference either way to be honest. The show also gives multiple answers as to why the Spore Drive isn’t used beyond this one ship.
Plus, we got to explore an era we’ve never seen on screen (outside of The Cage) and we got to see Pike for the first time in 50 years which spawned Strange New Worlds. Pretty good trade off, all things considered.
I mean all of that could have been covered with strange new worlds being its own thing. The timeline just made the technology they had really wierd and the klingon look could have been easily explained after voyager as them getting closer to their true look and the worf look being a halfway point. Also getting away from secret spock relatives would have been great.
Which only happened because of fans pushing for it after Discovery Season 2.
The only technology that doesn’t fit is the Spore Drive which was explained. Holograms being around kinda fit with holographic tech being shown in Enterprise. Plus Voyager said that holograms were used around the same time.
The look still sucked though. The issue wasn’t that the Klingons had an updated look, that was explained away as a visual reboot. The issue was the look was just outright bad. It looked nothing like the Klingons. Even if the show were set after Voyager, people would have still had a problem with the design.
That’s personal preference. I liked seeing it. Also it’s not like that’s unprecedented. He didn’t tell Kirk about his wife, didn’t tell him that Ambassador Sarek was his father, and didn’t tell him about his secret brother Sybock.
Like I said, I don’t see how it makes a huge difference either way. I get personal preference but it’s not served any better by being set after Voyager than it was before. If it was set after Voyager we wouldn’t have gotten Strange New Worlds, wouldn’t have gotten the amazing display of Pike in Season 2.
Yeah, the strange new worlds spinoff of Discovery easily makes the show worth it to me.
Which makes me wonder how far they will go with the new casts of TOS characters. Kind of exciting