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Supposed aliens landed in Mexico’s Congress but there were no saucer-shaped UFOs hovering over the historic building or bright green invaders like those seen in Hollywood films.
The specter of little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony Tuesday from individuals suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist. The researchers hailed from Mexico, the United States, Japan and Brazil.
The session, unprecedented in the Mexican Congress, took place two months after a similar one before the U.S. Congress in which a former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer claimed his country has probably been aware of “non-human” activity since the 1930s.
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It’s so pathetic that all these UFO stories are being taken seriously by world governments. What’s next? Will they turn down the lights in the capital and tell ghost stories?
It’s all about the distraction…
Yep, less time to talk find real solutions about real problems like inflation, climate change, etc.
I never expected Watchmen to become a documentary.
Only legislators seem to be taking this seriously not governments. I think it ties in to the rise of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Its being used as an approach to gain political favour amoung the populist right.
The Oversight Committee inquiry was bipartisan and only the Democrat mentioned aliens at all in his opening statement. Christie refused to even deign to speak about UFOs at the GOP debate. The Mexican congress is controlled by Morena. I don’t think this is being driven by the right at all.
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See my comment above.. It’s not pathetic - these issues deserve to be looked at seriously. It certainly seems our governments take UAP seriously.
I’d encourage you to educate yourself and delve into the topic to gain a little more insight rather than just broadly dismissing it and handwaving it away.
So we have debunkable poor quality video and untrustworthy eyewitness testimony. Extraordinary claims DO require extraordinary evidence, and this doesn’t mean that every poor quality cellphone video needs to be “taken seriously”.
How about if some actual astronomers and biologists could weigh in? I wonder if people could elaborate on this “70% DNA similarity”, because as-is it is a suspiciously well crafted bite-sized talking point that is easy to grasp on the surface, perfect for conspiracy nutters to latch onto and parrot without getting into the actual science.
I’d encourage you to educate yourself on basic logic and the scientific method, instead of gullibly accepting these claims without sufficient evidence.
You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.
What’s your scientific peer reviewed explanation for the videos released by the Pentagon then, champ?
Pulitzer Prize winning journalists who broke the TicTac video to the NY Times are lying I guess?
Obama must have been smoking something when he said things fly in our skies and we don’t know what they are?
None of this is worth any sort of investigation?
The person making the claim is the one that has the burden of proof, Champ.
The only thing you’ve proven is your own gullibility.
I’m not claiming anything? I’m saying UAP deserve further investigation due to the fact that the Pentagon has released video on the subject, we’ve shot objects down without explanation as to what they were, and the former President of the US has spoken on this topic.
You’re trying to railroad any discussion of this for… reasons? Is not worth investigating things we don’t know about anymore?
“we’ve shot objects down without explanation as to what they were”
You mean like the balloons we shot down that were… wait for it…
Balloons?
Some people just don’t want to risk looking like a fool and want to feel superior but it’s worth investigating for the reasons you mentioned.
I don’t know, but me not knowing something doesn’t mean that any explanation is the correct one.
I’m not positing any explanation anywhere here. I’m just saying we should investigate UAP as a serious matter. And this dude and his stunt is not helping people take it seriously.
I’m not discussing this guy and his alien body. It’s clear he’s not credible. So yeah of course, the 70% DNA thing is bs. I haven’t been discussing this guy in this thread.
I think you’re asking the wrong questions because you’re presupposing that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin (we may not require the expertise of astronomers).
These are not poor quality video - these are video taken by military cameras and radar systems which the Pentagon itself has released and discussed. Hundreds of trained pilots, including elite fighter pilots, reporting sightings over decades and decades - before the existence of advanced surveillance and drone technology. Obama stating in a television interview that things are flying in our skies and we don’t know what they are.
What we need is more transparency from the Pentagon and our governments in terms of what they have collected. We need access to the radar data of fighter planes (which as of right now is classified - no scientists have access). We need to know if UAP have ever been recovered.
Don’t you ever wonder what was shot down over Alaska and the Yukon this year? Canada’s defence minister clearly stated in her press conference that it was NOT a balloon like the one from the Atlantic coast that China confessed to - it was “an object.” Why are they concerned indigenous hunters may find it if it is innocuous?
These UAP either have large national security implications or they could be a completely new area of scientific study. These bare-bones facts warrant further exploration. And really if we never dreamed of exploring further we wouldn’t have many modern discoveries like the discovery microbes exist. That scientist was mocked by people too. We have to be willing to question our existing paradigms or we will never advance.
Or maybe they’re just military secrets
You know, like they have been in the past.
Why wouldn’t the military just say that then?
“This was military technology tests and we will not elaborate further”
But they have not said that in these instances. Specifically, the orb video and tic tac videos are unknown. Why would the Pentagon itself release videos of something they know about if they didn’t want to comment on military secrets being tested?
So either the largest military in the world is shitting the bed and utterly failing to protect its own airspace and pilots from foreign military technology - and we should to figure out what it is; or the UAPs are something else, but the conclusion is the same:
We need to figure out what it is!
Figure out what it is? Sure, absolutely! But people are all jumping to the conclusions of aliens as soon as anything unknown is happening.
And for all we know, the US military may be intentionally trying to mislead the public, or whatever else. The US government already spies on everyone, it wouldn’t be out of character for them.
You’re still not addressing the crux of what I’m saying.
The military itself is releasing videos and shooting things down. We deserve an explanation as to what happened. We can’t even talk rationally about these things as UAP. Surely we should agree that we should investigate claims of activity in our airspace witnessed by hundreds of pilots, commercial and military. I want to know about whether this threatens flight operations or my nation’s sovereignty if it is military in nature.
Could it be non-human intelligence? Sure, but that’s only one possible explanation, and we have to go through a lot of other mundane explanations before we get there. We can’t even begin to do that because for decades, also without providing proof - I might add, governments and militaries have mocked the central issue of unknown items in our skies and assassinated the character of civilians and former military who have come forward with their own experiences.
The people who tend to jump to the conclusion of “aliens” seem to be the ones distracting from taking this issue seriously and getting to the truth.
because the alien stories help keep the secrets, that worked well for area 51 for a long time
It’s not pathetic
Yes it is
these issues deserve to be looked at seriously
No they don’t.
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My only takeaway from the House hearing about it a few months ago is that there doesn’t seem to be a proper channel for reporting anomalies and hazards etc. They made a pretty good case for that at least IMO. But I’m not an expert on such things so I’m sure the internet will tell me loud and clear if I’m wrong.
I think this UFO stuff is nonsense but also agree. There should be a way for a pilot to report that they saw something weird without having their career destroyed. For many reasons.
A. It helps to take to people instead of just having some weird experience you brood over. From the purely pragmatic point of view you don’t want pilots losing their minds if you plan to have the ability to wage war.
B. Maybe there is something that needs to be documented. Some hazard other pilots should be aware of or some glitch in the sensors
C. Could be something for scientists to learn about.
D. On the one in the trillion chance that aliens decided to invade in this totally ass-backwards way I don’t want one of the last things said by a human to be "well I was worried about my career so I didnt speak up "
FWIW if malevolent ETs invade us it’s highly unlikely we’d be able to do anything about it even with all the advanced warnings in the world.
I agree. It is highly unlikely that everything goes the stupidest possible way.
Oh man look at the measured reasoning here. You sure convinced me!
It’s this amazing superpower I have which I call “not falling for completely obvious bullshit” some people just call it “common sense” but I don’t think that really drives the point home.
Of course there are idiots like you who will eat up every piece of crap they are fed. But you can safely be ignored. Bye.
If you think that’s a serious issue, just wait until you hear about the escaped lunatic with a hook for a hand!
Good job not responding to any of the substance of what is being discussed. If people like you were in charge, we’d never have progressed past the Earth being flat or diseases being caused by humours.
smart of them aliens to make themselves look exactly as pop culture of 20th century has depicted them
The linked article didn’t show a picture of the “proof”…
WTF is that even supposed to be? Bones covered in skin with a miraculously preserved face?
It looks like a toddler’s paper mache project
How’d E.T. get in the box?
Spielberg needed more money
And to make themselves harder and harder to find as human technology advanced. You know the exact opposite way everything is real behaves. Everything true eventually gets easier and easier to prove. Everything false shows the every decreasing effect, where more and more resources are required to find anything at all. If you want a real challenge try to find evidence for ESP, if you want easy mode go ahead and verify any scientific discovery that broke the minds of people a hundred years ago.
Used to be people saw aliens just by sight. Now we are reduced to finding them only in isolated incidents with complex military sensor packages that no one understands.
Got to give those aliens credit. They have somehow made themselves follow the exact path all pseudoscience follows. Ingenious. Almost as ingenious as only abducting drunk hillbillies who live alone.
So is there just something in the water all throughout North America or what?
You see these kinds of claims everywhere. Maybe not aliens, mind. Before space and aliens were on everyone’s mind, people were abducted or fed on (among many other sordid things…) by vampires.
And demons and all sorts of other creatures.
Aliens are only the latest in a long list of boogeymen.
Fairies was more common than vampires. Being kidnapped by the fairies and even replaced with a changeling was a very common folk motif even into the 19th century.
they generally dont get to talk in front of congress
This is a mistake by congress
if my government pulled this shit id be livid
So is there just something in the water all throughout North America or what?
Oh yes, it’s super suspicious that the most militarily advanced nation on the planet is the one that has the most “unknown” things flying in the air. Totally must be aliens.
A subcommittee of Congress.
It’s definitely very US centric overall.
Reddit was (or rather still is) full of it this time around too and people in various subs called everyone who dismissed this obvious fraud (by the same fraudster that literally pulled the SAME fraud 5 years ago already) as being part of a CIA operation to cover this up.Yep this is just more of the demon haunted world becoming mainstream again.
Mostly the U.S. to be honest.
From the video “Data Source: https://nuforc.org/”
It’s a US based website thats in English, of course non English speaking nations aren’t going to be represented
Somehow, it seems, you managed to cause PipedLinkBot to repost your YouTube link instead of the Piped link, which then triggers PipedLinkBot to reply to itself infinitely. Maybe because the link is to an unlisted video?
I don’t know how to get it to stop. Maybe a moderator can ban it temporarily.
It can’t be stopped. It’s self-sustaining now.
I reported the first comment, hopefully a mod spots it soon. Up to 35 replies
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Clearly the aliens are tampering with our water.
Nah that clearly is the lead, or the chemicals from that Ohio train or …
That is almost a map of the anglosphere.
I’ve been wondering about that too. This dude was already busted for passing off dolls as aliens. The article said they aren’t even sure that he’s made new dolls since then. So maybe this is just an opportunist that saw renewed interest.
More generally though, there’s sort of a drumbeat of alien news from official sources. Like it’s a psyop, but I don’t know why. Maybe to give the Q-susceptible types something more controlled to fantasize about? Aliens are actually in contact and the govt wants to soften the blow? They made some badass weapon and want a cover story?
Guerrilla marketing for another X-Files reboot?
There is a a lot of legitimate inquiry occurring and as someone who does genuinely want answers, I am disappointed but not surprised that people like this guy are coming out of the woodwork and discrediting the work that has been done.
I truly believe that the renewed interest and news is because this topic has gotten too big to keep covering up. There are whistleblowers, trained fighter pilots, and commercial airline pilots coming forward and speaking to the legitimacy of UAPs. There is compelling civilian video because everyone now has a good camera in their pocket.
They have been captured on video that has been officially released by the Pentagon, including a video of a silver orb bearing resemblance to the “Foo fighter” UAP that pilots have been reporting since the Second World War. They are being discussed in official memos to Canada’s Prime Minister after our Defence Minister was clear that what was shot down was an object, not a balloon. The memo states that there is a risk that the object could be found by indigenous hunters - if it’s a weather balloon or something innocuous why would they care? They have been observed by US navy fighter pilots entering and exiting the ocean.
Look, I understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising. How will we ever get to the bottom of what is happening if we can’t even seriously discuss it? Why would hundreds of trained pilots lie about what they have seen? It’s not just one guy. And it seems like it has been happening for a LONG time.
The questions I want answers to:
- How long has the military/five-eyes really been tracking this phenomena.
- Do we have any idea where they come from or what they are.
- Have we recovered any craft.
However, at this point I would even accept an official saying yes they’re real and it’s not human or no here’s what they are with a thorough explanation but we don’t even get that much.
we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising.
Blame the decades (over a century?) of grifters taking advantage of people’s gullibility.
It doesn’t help that there is not a single solid proof, or that top secret information is not just available to anyone with a clearance, but only on a “need to know” basis. If there was actual proof, and there was an actual aircraft, or even actual contact… what would you do with that knowledge? Do you “need” to know, or just “want” to know?
As far as I see, there are three possible scenarios:
- There is nothing, it’s just a bunch of sensor glitches, visual illusions, and imagination from people who want to believe.
- There are no ETs, just advanced technology, that no country wants to reveal before using it by surprise in the next war.
- There are ETs, the technology is millennia more advanced than ours, for all intents and purposes it looks like magic, we can’t reverse-engineer it, or stop it, or even properly detect it, and we may not even be the ones deciding who gets to know.
Which one would you want to believe?
I’ve personally known people whose accounts point to scenario 3… even I have personally seen things that have been hard to explain… but without proof, they could all be just a mix of 1 and 2.
Or a glitch in the Matrix 🤷
I think people deserve to know if they have been gaslit by the government on this issue since the 1940s. We’re moving past a patriarchal society of blind deference to everything the government says and they have lied about many government programs in the past that have caused harm to citizens (LSD experiments in Canada as one relevant to my government).
I’m saying this as someone who believes in science and vaccines, however, I also grew up during the Iraq War and the thinly veiled excuses that the US made for that undertaking. I have a healthy distrust of the government, and I also pay taxes and deserve to know what I’m funding and whether we’re achieving intended results. There’s a lot of money and a lot of need.
I think what the whistleblowers and former government military personnel are alleging is compelling, especially if black programs funnelling money to private contractors are involved.
And from a human perspective, yeah I do want to know if there’s more to our existence because it just might change how I choose to live my life.
I don’t see the harm of the government saying: these videos are advanced technology. Why would they even release the videos of their own advanced technology and pretend they don’t know what it is? Wouldn’t it be tipping off an adversary to even show the video?
I think we’re in a weird space where if they don’t know what they are and they come from a foreign military then we’re in trouble (however, this has been going on for decades). If that’s the case then yeah make that case to the public and I’d want to fund the hell out of it.
Otherwise if we suspect that they’re completely innocuous and there’s a scientific or mundane explanation why not make fighter jet radar data available to scientists with clearance so they can study it? Why not go on the record and refute each and every video and claim? Why not make public the reports that are taken from fighter pilot sightings? Or even extraneous data like the number of military and civilian sightings that have been tracked?
So they break our understanding of physics, but we are able to shoot them down?
And they have been showing themselves, just out of sight, for decades? Without any other effects?
If they’re aliens capable of interstellar travel, then they really suck at utilizing their technology, which would be far far more advanced than ours. Or they’re doing this intentionally, which also would make no sense. Other explanations are far simpler and more plausible.
The reason people mock this is because people go to the most outrageous conclusions before anything more reasonable, without sufficient proof to rule out simpler explanations. You know, a process which every other field of science uses.
Both things can be true - it could break physics and we can shoot them. Or there might be different types. We don’t know until we take it seriously.
If you pay close attention, I have never once in this thread alleged that they are aliens or interstellar. I don’t think that is a fruitful starting point.
But yes, there have been sightings in our skies for decades. Why would hundreds of people at risk of great personal reputations damage over decades lie about what they see? What is the personal gain?
This is exactly what I’m trying to do - discuss the topic rationally because the stunt this guy pulled is a great disservice to the progress that has been made. First we need to account for what is actually known by experts, and we’ll never get there if people come to the table mocking it before any work is done.
You haven’t said they are aliens directly, just heavily implied it. One can clearly read that out from your comments.
I also hate the amount of mockery around the topic. We have very credible accounts from high ranking officials of UAPs that break the laws of physics.
None of the credible sources mention aliens. They simply mention the UAPs and that we do not know who or what they are being controlled by. That sounds like a sensible place to start.
This has the potential to be one of the biggest discoveries of our entire history, and people seem more willing to mock and dismiss the topic, rather than actually having a serious conversation and investigating the phenomenon.
I do wonder if people have a fairly closed world view and refuse to intellectually engage with the topic as the monumental discovery it could be because it could change everything about our understanding of the universe, physics, earth and our place in it all.
Some people would rather stick their heads in the sand than question their current perspective.
If we can figure this out it is the largest scientific discovery of our time on par or surpassing past discoveries like gravity, relativity, the earth is spherical/not flat etc.
Just like you mentioned, I discuss it with friends by saying listen we have to start with the basic evidence on the table. These core observations that are brought up and corroborated by Pentagon-originating video evidence and professionals and move outward from there. Because even the hard evidence that has been presented by professionals at this point is fascinating!
Lead? Microplastics? Dihydrogen monoxide…?
You keep that dihydrogen monoxide out of my pure water! That is an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH SOLVENT!
Maybe the second most famous “alien ship found by government” story is from Italy. Bet you didn’t know that Italy sided with Germany as part of an agreement to hand over a recovered craft to the Nazis.
This is embarassing for Mexico.
More so or less than another Virgin Mary sighting under an overpass?
Funny you mention that, as I read that the guy making these claim also claims to have spoken to the Virgin (as well as to living aliens).
At least they’re focused on aliens when they could be focused on fucking people over like usual.
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Let me try to explain this as someone that lives in Mexico, Jaime Maussan is like a cheap version Fox Mulder or that “Aliens” meme guy from history channel. Bigfoot, loch Ness, martians, etc you name it.
Nothing new for us but he must be thrilled that someone from outside Mexico pays attention to him.
And he already tried this couple years back with a mummy with 3 fingers and DNA showed it was a human child. I wouldn’t hold my breath for these to be anything different.
todavía me acuerdo del vídeo de los niños jugando fútbol y que un alien supuestamente saca su brazo desde un poste de luz y fue lo único de lo que se habló por cómo 3 días en las noticias
No mames, los del alíen de Yucatán! Hasta me acordé del otro baboso llamado Carlos Trejo, que sube videos a YouTube de su tratamiento capilar.
el caso cañitas
Alguien recuerda cuando salió en Otro Royo hace como 20 años con un disque brazalete tele transportador o intergaláctico o una mamada así?
Translation for those who ain’t Mexican or can’t speak spanish: does anyone remember when he appeared on that popular TV show like 20 years ago claiming he had a teleporting bracelet or an intergalactic travel device or some bullshit like that?
Jajaja se la vivía con el Adal y el Jordi. Siempre le gustó la artisteada
I saw this article many years ago, the author argued that conspiracy theories show a timedelay in passing because of languages. Some conspiracy pops up in say France and it takes three years to meet the person who: speaks French and Spanish, believes it, is a hyperspreader, and is willing to take the effort into translation. Now the conspiracy meme is moving around in Spainish where it will remain until about three years later when it encounters the Spainish speaking person equivalent who moves it into English.
I wish I had saved the article because the author wasn’t just speculating. He had timed out by internet posts the jumps from English to Hindi. The effect is a weird type of future shock where what was hot in one culture and forgotten about becomes reintroduced back a few years later.
I ran a small electrical engineer homework helping board once and at one point we got overwhelmed by Spainish-English speakers screaming about Tesla transverse wave stuff.
This is a distraction. Something nefarious is going on unrelated to this nonsense.
You mean like the entirety of the world collapsing and burning alive.
Yeah
Don’t attribute malice where stupidity would suffice.
Mainly this though
It ties in with Qanon narratives too. Most of those conspiracy theorists believe “aliens” run the show, Trump/Biden is a clone and other wacky shit. It’s funny how grifters like this guy try to keep the narrative going for the delusional. It reinforces their beliefs, kind of like Sound of Freedom validates Qanon beliefs about human trafficking.
If half of these people took the time they spend and reinvested into the actual issues of the world like financial abuse, police system reform, climate study, biology, chemistry, we’d all be in a substantially better place.
Don’t forget that y’all.
I thought the Jews were doing all this? Are the aliens in league with the Jews?
They think they’re Jewish aliens. If you ever research how stupid this is though you’ll go crazy.
For once I’m glad this is an example of pure stupid that isn’t coming from the USA.
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Didn’t you see the CT images? They indeed have internal organs, so this seems like an elaborate fabrication. The guy is a professional hoaxer
The video of these being disproved came out two years ago lol
My favourite part was when the little aliens suddenly got up and did a little song and dance number.
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Check please…
Cartel and mafia team up to try to distract dumb Americans while they fuck with our elections and puppet naive politicians to become president.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Mexican journalist José Jaime Maussan presented two boxes with supposed mummies found in Peru, which he and others consider “non-human beings that are not part of our terrestrial evolution.”
In 2017, Maussan made similar claims in Peru, and a report by the country’s prosecutor’s office found that the bodies were actually “recently manufactured dolls, which have been covered with a mixture of paper and synthetic glue to simulate the presence of skin.”
On Wednesday, Julieta Fierro, researcher at the Institute of Astronomy at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, was among those to express skepticism, saying that many details about the figures “made no sense.”
Congressman Sergio Gutiérrez Luna of the ruling Morena party, made it clear that Congress has not taken a position on the theses put forward during the more than three-hour session.
Grusch’s highly anticipated testimony before a House Oversight subcommittee was the U.S. Congress’ latest foray into the world of UAPs — or “unidentified aerial phenomena,” which is the official term the U.S. government uses instead of UFOs.
Democrats and Republicans in recent years have pushed for more research as a national security matter due to concerns that sightings observed by pilots may be tied to U.S. adversaries.
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Ya think?
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Weird writing. So there were aliens in Mexicans congress?
