I think it’s especially the money and LGBTQ+ and non sexual norms that are driving people to the right. I notice when I talk to a lot of younger guys theyre tired of hearing about it.

Because it’s pushed on so much of their TV shows and things they like that they side with political candidates that are conservative at a young age and they further grow into it. These are conservative candidates with lots of money usually.

I hate to say it but it was universally cool to defend LGBT people when the media and TV shows didn’t push it. Because you were defending an oppressed person. Now it more so feels like it’s popular which means it’s no longer an obscure thing, the anti culture is the new trend.

I want to disclaim that I don’t agree with any of this other than to say this is my observation of the behavior. I play rainbow six ranked on Xbox and use the looking for group party finder with a buddy of mine. We group up and encounter a lot of guys in the army and Marines, a lot of teenagers and this is cumulatively the culture I’ve heard. Same thing on like world of warcraft classic and using discord to raid but those guys run older typically.

🌶️🥵Many people consume Facebook meta company’s tech stack wholesale, don’t know how to actually traditionally program their way out of a paper bag, and web dev and devops caused a massive layoff (250k people) at the end of 2022, start of 2023 because it was all vaporware. They consume the same software in droves if the other guy uses it.

There is an entire subculture around it that is just a bunch of medium.com writers, YouTubers and twitter handles just trying to get the clicks for their ad money. Some of these guys have never written valid software or done anything noteworthy. If you meet them head on you’d find they have enormous egos and can’t find a counter argument when presented with reason.

I’ll even add on that there are many programmers who don’t know how to code outside a web app.

Why is something like [react, graphql, react ssr, devops, tailwind, unit tests, containers] vaporware?

• there are other frameworks even with component libraries that are easier to read the code for large codebases, better maintained, and have cohesive full stack solutions, and even faster to develop in, to name one quasarJS or even just plain ecmascript
• if you look at the anatomy of these enterprises using these solutions they’ve evolved to have micro front ends requiring armies of workers.
• devops is a sales term, the actual implementation of it is so contextual that you’d probably find you don’t need a full time job for it half the time and most are relatively easy to setup inside of a business quarter
• not everything is Facebook scale: unless you’re padding your resume why did some of these get adopted? How complicated does your app need to be? Did you really need to transpile JavaScript for it?
• unit tests were code to test your code that you’re going to have to functionally test anyways: you’re telling me that you have to write your code…twice? How the hell did this ever get justified to mangers? Why did the culture not evolve into literal automated smoke tests of the actual builds, instead of testing whether a function that is probably type annotated is going to fire anyways???
• docker/containers suck ass: great that they solved a problem but created a whole new one. we moved to python and JS which were JIT without artifacts and suddenly everything needs a generalized build system to run it. C lang variants and Rust lang compile to a binary you can just run… Ship the small ass binary not an entire container to run your shitty web app

You know the stuff I don’t hear about?

• Javascript and Python were steps in the evolution but never the end goal. I’d even say the same of java. There are new solutions but JavaScript in the browser especially should be replaced.
• eye appeal is buy appeal
• that eye appeal shouldn’t always mean you need to use a library or framework; vanilla apps work okay too.
• binaries/artifacts/installer packages > containers
• automated testing of the actual end product
• well written logging to the point someone can tell what the application was doing without seeing code
• using all these compsci algorithms to actually write new products and searches from scratch instead of being a framework baby: do you actually need ELK or Splunk for your search? Really?
• you probably don’t need MySQL for a lot of projects, I bet you an async library with sqlite would be the same for many of these projects.
• small teams with feature rich apps using SSR, the value of an SSR web app
• the value of a SPA
• the value of traditional desktop software and not using REST APIs

No. They’ll just name an entire lineup of the worlds biggest computers after your daughter.

Gaming. It used to be an MMO for like $15 a month. Now it’s a new game for $70, the game has DLC for $20-$30 or skins or some battle pass.

I had the same idea but there’s a lot of actual tangible assets that have to be dealt with.

The first part is picking a pilot country which is probably where the developer lives. The second is either investing in or partnering with Fast ship locations - you need a service or partner that you can use like Amazon prime to store inventory across a country, and last is shipping and delivery maybe it’s baked in. I bet there’s a company that does this that has an API or partnership program.

In other words you have to establish partnerships or literally incentivize real people to invest in order to create the same value as Amazon. The magic of amazon isn’t really that’s it’s like eBay and buying things online, it’s that I can get it so soon.

Ah yeah the guy who opposed Putin

Yeah surprise he’s dead

• Too much fluff on interweb
• assume others online are writing in brevity

I’ll generalize and say there are many my age in their 20s that watch things like TikTok and shorts that are conditioned for the fastest intake of media. This means ignoring the written word outside of texts.

Even myself, if I see a wall of text in an article, I know to skip the fluffer ad-reads down to paragraph three, then skim. To be fair most articles could be wrapped up to maybe two paragraphs but get extended for ad spots. Outside the context of reading articles on say lemmy, especially online, there is a largely missed hear mean not what I’m saying operating in good faith that often gets missed online. For example if someone posts an article about how smoking kills you, and I post a comment that “yes but its a creature comfort” I am not refuting it kills you - I’m merely suggesting that its a rough world and that people have vices to cope.

Nuance and assumption that we’re acknowledging it is often lost on people.

Are those the super communists that are like fuck any place that’s not Russia and China? Lol

If so I guess I feel the pain but I just give em the block

Things are fine man. There’s just a lot of de federation lately which I don’t think is exactly right.

“I archived them all Padme. They’re gone…every single one of them. And not just the minor tickets.”

I think people forget that decentralized doesn’t mean anonymous, and it also doesn’t mean that server admins and servers aren’t beholden to local laws

Its far more weird how many people pick one of these countries like its a RPG faction. Can we all agree most of these countries do some totally evil things as far as governments go? Who gives a fuck how much debt they’re in, they’re all just printing their monopoly dollars anyways and we’re stuck with the inflation. Its like people like to masterbate to their favorite team via internet comments.

There’s a twitch streamer I watch and he often says that he feels like he can’t find information about Ukraine, then goes on to elaborate that there just isn’t many sources available to the US to find news without propaganda cooked in. It’s hard to know what to even trust in the first place.

I feel strongly that applies to reading articles about China as well especially if they’re written in English.

Thank you for taking the time to post and add in more links.

I think both China and the US as well as many other countries have insane financial positions, for quite some time now. The housing market in the US really painted that clearly. As I understand it in 2014ish the US passed legislature allowing companies to legally do the same thing they did that causes the housing market collapse again. According to the movie the big short at least, and some googling with that.

For code snippets especially. I mean the thing is limited to input sizes and doesn’t remember context of running conversations that well

For sure but it also depends on how deep your wallets are to invest in that. Whether that means literal compensation or just your time.

Write code to test your code then repl build and run it anyways and smoketest it to see if it actually works

Sounds like activities for people who don’t have real work to do. These tech layoffs cut deep because there was so much fluff in the industry. I sort of blame these companies that marketed devops too hard and oversold overcomplicated solutions, but it’s also the fault of the tech leads advising managers.

I never thought that CEOs might plant a seed that a “cultural change and approach in HR” and falsified stats papers would be the new meta to keep payroll low.

Thanks for weighing in. Yeah! This is basically what I am thinking I’ll have to do. I just tried Github actions and runners with a very small internal app and I liked it. I’ve never worked closely in AWS but I’ve gotten trained in/used Azure a few times and it’s basically the same thing on my end.

Robust tests, larger conditional workflows in github actions, and some sort of staggered rollout I think are the conclusion I’m arriving at.