cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy@lemmy.ml.
If this is a problem for you, I’d suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn’t block it (such as lemm.ee).
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An official announcement has been made:
Might be worth remembering here that Lemmy instances, including .world are hosted by regular people. Not massive multinational companies worth billions who can engage the best legal talent around.
If Hollywood comes after a Lemmy instance, Holywood have a huge legal team and endless money. The Lemmy instance has some guy. They could quite literally destroy a persons life. With that in mind, I don’t blame any instance owners for erring on the side of taking a stance that won’t put them in the legal firing line.
This is a well reasoned answer. If this were my instance I would also ban communities linking to pirated software. A single lawsuit and lawyer bill for a regular guy, and that can fuck your life up all because you tried to run a decent community. I have a username I use for browsing lemmynsfw, I’ll make one for browsing piracy related things too.
Best bet I think is to set up a non-profit limited liability type of company. Then at least there is a good chance the individual doesn’t get fucked. (Ymmv depending on legal jurisdiction of course)
You still need expensive lawyers to defend yourself. Registering a LLC isn’t a get out of jail free card and corporations don’t shield you from personal criminal liability (unless you’re rich, see comment about expensive lawyers).
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn’t care about stuff like this.
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Edit: Didn’t mean to ridicule any of you all. I based my comment on my experience when I signed up. At that time there were plenty of instances to pick from and getting approved at my instance of choice was very quick. My bad.
They never even got a DMCA takedown notice or any sort of copyright claims. Just because one user asked. Wtf
Not only that, it was a brand new account on a totally different Lemmy instance that demanded lemmy.world admins remove piracy related communities.
Honestly it seems like lemmy.world admins were trolled by some random throwaway account and took the bait.
EDIT: The post in question in case others haven’t seen it https://lemmy.world/post/3175920, a new account from lemm.ee makes their first & only post in lemmy.world demanding that they defederate & remove anything piracy related.
Not even reddit admins were this stupid
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Understandable reason but there is not one illegally shared file in these communities. What’s next, watching a John Wick movie makes me a murderer now?
I love these comments. It shows the federation is working. If reddit did this it was “oh no what now” but with lemmy it’s just “time to move to another instance”
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It was inevitable and it’s not their fault. Because of how the Fediverse works it means they’re storing all content from those communities on their servers too. This means they’re storing piracy content and can be subject to a takedown.
We knew larger instances would defederate from piracy communities at some point, don’t take it out on the admins.
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I think people forget that decentralized doesn’t mean anonymous, and it also doesn’t mean that server admins and servers aren’t beholden to local laws
If you are hosting a discussion forum on a server that you are responsible for, does that automatically make you responsible for the content that people post on it? Even an instance the size of dbzer0 is impossible for a single person to moderate all of the content from the many communities that are federated with it. Impossible.
That’s like saying the admin of lemmy.world holds all of the wild political opinions that are posted on there.
When it comes to the legality of most things hosted on websites, that is how it works. The legality of piracy is different, for no reason.
Too many people in this thread are basically saying “discussing/assisting with piracy is illegal, move on” while having no opinion whatsoever on whether or not that is a just law. They just base their morality on what is legal and I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO SAY WHY THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.
libs gonna lib.
That instance has been a shitshow with the arrival of a large amount of redditors and their “controversial but sensible classical liberal point of views” with strong opinions about women and people of color in general (but not in a racist way, I swear, more of a “race realism” sort of way).
They were defederated for legal reasons, not everybody has the balls to constantly fight expensive legal battles and dodging maneuvers. Nothing to do with politics. But if you did want to actually dispute some of their ideologies, I’d recommend next time actually listing their points and disputing them with your own logic and rationale instead of whatever this shit post was
Rule 1 is too vague.
No illegal content, including sharing copyrighted material without the explicit permission of the owner(s).
They can defederate with any instance with this rule. Why not just say “because we want to”?
Unless those communities were sharing links to pirated content. If it was just talk about piracy and piracy news then I don’t think that’s a good reason to defederate.
No illegal content
Illegal in which country? Copyright infringement isn’t illegal in my country for example, except for severe cases where you’re profiting off of it. If we have to cater to all countries’ laws we might as well ban music as well since it’s illegal in Afghanistan.
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Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I’m on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it’s really fucking annoying. Like I’m not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union’s genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
Can someone explain what a tankie is, I keep hearing it and getting called one but have no fucking clue what they’re on about
Also, you could just make an account for the dark side of lemmy for defederated things and then use another for regular usage, no? I basically just switch between accounts through my reader app
Someone who supports authoritarian regimes with socialist aesthetics. Originally coined when the soviet union rolled tanks into Hungary to squash their attempt at independence and there were people in Britain who liked that, those were the original tankies.
Oh, ew.
Yeah. You can usually find them on any post remotely critical of China or Russia, where they show up enmasse (usually from Hexbear where their explicit goal is to brigade other communities) to defend the genocides they commit because “Well America did it too so it’s okay to murder entire ethnicities” and dismiss any criticism of those countries as “Western propaganda” while simultaneously gobbling up CCP/Russian propaganda like it’s candy. They never argue in good faith, and get off on irritating people.
Sounds like trolls in general tbh
Beauty of fediverse, people can just find another spot or move to another instance while most of the community continues no problem.
Just an example that system working as intended
but only if you know enough about the fediverse to be aware; if i had no logged into like i usually don’t do on these days, i would never know and spend the rest of my time on lemmy.world trying to figure out why i can’t find any pirating stuff to share.
piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.
It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.
I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.
So join one of the instances that got defederated.
All these problems comes from centralization.
This is not difficult to deal with, setup an account on another server and stop using lemmy.world
No need to stop using LW. I’ve got three accounts on different instances plus kbin. Oh, and I fifth on if you count my nsfw login. Partitioning your online life is nbd, really. And the fediverse makes it easy.
Why bother to have 5, an account on a single decent instance should be sufficient.
Sopuli was my original instance from before I knew what the Fediverse was but however they have their server set federated community discovery has been broken from the beginning. World is my reddit migration account and I moderate a couple of communities there. I really like some of the communities on Beehaw, and they defederated pretty quickly from just about anyone with more than a few users, so I got an account there. Kbin didn’t seem to work as well cross-federation so…number 4. And I use a different handle for NSFW. It would be nice to have an app for aggregating usernames across instances, but I much of my browsing from desktop so it’s really nbd.
I don’t get it… You can start 100 pirate instances if you want. Just not federate with Lemmy.world.
I need help. Can someone log in to lemmy dbzer0? I cant, every time I try I get a 400 bad request error.
