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  • This is a great discussion. Thank you.

    I’m not sure I agree with the signs of regression though. Are these your actual complaints, or are you merely echoing those you have seen elsewhere? Some of them seem borderline disingenuous.

    I don’t think that who is in the position of authority is or should be the method for determining or measuring diversity. If it is, then SNW will always just be a show with the Cis-White-Male captain, which was unavoidable.

    The primary cast for SNW is entirely diverse. You can argue there are 2 cis-white-male characters in the main cast, but the Character Spock is a character who has faced discrimination from both sides of his mixed heritage, and is far from a standard male character. I would argue there’s 1-1.5 standard cis-white-male characters in the cast. The closest modern analogy to Spock would be a mixed-race highly neurodivergent cis-male. Neither Spock nor Pike were optional characters for the premise of the show.

    Every other character is diverse.

    Sure, Una could be given a larger spotlight, but it would likely not be at the expense of Pike… it would be taking away from other members of the diverse cast. Thus far, off the top of my head, she’s been a primary character in 3-4 episodes. With 17 episodes aired, how many would be a proper amount? Like any Star Trek at its best, SNW shines largely because of the ensemble cast. I love Una and can’t wait to see more of her, but that’s also true of the rest of the cast.

    Discovery being ended after 5 seasons is disappointing, but I don’t feel that it has anything to do with Diversity.

    Yes, Picard S3 was less diverse than other modern Treks, but they gave us what most of us really wanted, and it was one more (likely last) adventure with our old friends.

    Again, Prodigy being cancelled sucks, but I highly doubt diversity had anything to do with it. The entire main cast was aliens. Janeway’s primary role on the show was ‘computer’, so I’m not sure she even really counts as an authority figure, but she functioned as one more often than not, so that’s fair… but again, is there any real basis for pointing towards diversity here?

    The pitch for Legacy as a new Trek show… this is not anti-diversity just because one of the main characters is cis-white-male, is it? The other two main characters we would know thus far would be Seven and Raffi. This especially doesn’t fit with the argument if the issue with Una is that she’s the diverse character of authority… Jack Picard/Crusher would not be an authority figure, he would be subordinate (highly) to both Seven and Raffi.

    “I can also understand why those who had only previously seen themselves in secondary characters and occasional storylines are concerned when the remaining live action Trek shows are headed by white male leads.”

    A single remaining live action Trek show is headed by a white male lead. It was entirely unavoidable given the premise (and it’s a PHENOMENAL show).

    There are two upcoming shows(hopefully), one with a guaranteed non white male lead, one we have no clue, but a promise for diversity none the less (and no reason to doubt them given their recent track record, IMO). One potential new show, which would have at least one male lead, but once more, not the main character in the position of authority. That show would be guaranteed (unless there’s some serious fuckery) to have a female lead as the captain.

    I see nothing concerning about any of this other than the fact that Paramount, like every other streaming service, is beginning to trim fat as we near the end of the expansion phase of the streaming wars. Between that and the Hollywood strikes, I have major concerns about the future of the Trek shows we are hoping for (and the ones we have now), but I don’t see any tendency towards a lack of diversity.

    Sorry I’m late to the party. Didn’t realize the conversation was a few days quiet when I started to reply.