To me the meme comes off as a ‘Star Wars fans complain about Troi meanwhile their evil ‘god’ who has more leather than sense can’t even feel his own daughter standing 2 feet away from him’. It’s not a defense so much as a “If you want to bitch about Troi then you better recognize Vader has major faults too”. A leveling the field as it were.
Is it Star Wars fans complaining about Troi? I always figured it was Star Trek fans. Then again I never understood why there was a divide or why you have to be one or the other?
Even so empathy is the thing that Troi is supposed to excel at. She’s the counselor presumably because she’s an empath.
Vader, on the other hand is a capable warrior, commands the dark side of the force, is a legendary pilot, leads troops, and senses other force users. At this point neither Luke nor Vader is aware of Leia’s sensitivity to the force.
This seems like the equivalent of the Flash being bad at running then saying Superman isn’t very fast either.
I’ve got no problem criticizing Star Wars. There’s plenty to over. But this isn’t really a good comparison.
The target audience doesn’t effect my point at all
But it does. Your point was that it’s “not a defense”. My point was “they’re not trying to defend”. Your rebuttal here is “They’re still not defending.”
At no point in that image does Troi make a defense for her own abilities. She says that people complain about her and then goes onto Vader. So yes. She’s distracting, not defending, but she was never claiming to make a defense in the first place. That does affect your point pretty significantly.
At best, it’s an implied admission, then a distraction to minimize consequences. “Sure I suck. But not as much as this guy! Amiright!?” That’s not really any better.
That’s not a defense. It’s a distraction. They’re both bad empaths. Vader being worse doesn’t make her better.
To me the meme comes off as a ‘Star Wars fans complain about Troi meanwhile their evil ‘god’ who has more leather than sense can’t even feel his own daughter standing 2 feet away from him’. It’s not a defense so much as a “If you want to bitch about Troi then you better recognize Vader has major faults too”. A leveling the field as it were.
Is it Star Wars fans complaining about Troi? I always figured it was Star Trek fans. Then again I never understood why there was a divide or why you have to be one or the other?
Even so empathy is the thing that Troi is supposed to excel at. She’s the counselor presumably because she’s an empath.
Vader, on the other hand is a capable warrior, commands the dark side of the force, is a legendary pilot, leads troops, and senses other force users. At this point neither Luke nor Vader is aware of Leia’s sensitivity to the force.
This seems like the equivalent of the Flash being bad at running then saying Superman isn’t very fast either.
I’ve got no problem criticizing Star Wars. There’s plenty to over. But this isn’t really a good comparison.
It’s still trying to distract, rather than defend. The target audience doesn’t effect my point at all.
But it does. Your point was that it’s “not a defense”. My point was “they’re not trying to defend”. Your rebuttal here is “They’re still not defending.”
At no point in that image does Troi make a defense for her own abilities. She says that people complain about her and then goes onto Vader. So yes. She’s distracting, not defending, but she was never claiming to make a defense in the first place. That does affect your point pretty significantly.
At best, it’s an implied admission, then a distraction to minimize consequences. “Sure I suck. But not as much as this guy! Amiright!?” That’s not really any better.