I’ve seen 4 generations of the show, all were episodic. All of a sudden, everything is serialized. Fuck that. Give me self-contained, 43-45 minute stories I can watch in any order and not be like “wait, wtf is going on?”
DS9 and Voyager (and the new season of Lower Decks is doing it too with the mysterious ship plot) have been able to have both an overarching story line while still being episodic. Why can’t Picard or Discovery do that?
Yeah I’m pretty sure that is what is turning me off the current shows. I don’t mind the representation, since that’s a core element of Trek and has been since the first show.
Just that the shows, especially discovery, felt very lecturing and on the nose. I don’t want literal current day talking points in space. I want to see a future where those issues have been overcome and it is normal and no big deal.
Though I may be biased because I hated the stamets character, or rather the whole engineering department.
Neurotic gay scientist who is always preoccupied with his emotional life but is also as an afterthought the smartest guy in the galaxy, featuring snarky butch lesbian wonder engineer who is preoccupied with being obnoxious kinda gets old after some episodes.
I found Picard 1-2 was great fun. Haven’t seen season 3 yet.
Lower Decks is awesome. I love the myriad references.
Strange New Worlds pretty much reignited my dormant ST passion and reminded me why I loved TOS and TNG. Interesting Sci-Fi stories are the main thing I want out of Star Trek because that’s what it was all about when I was a kid watching TOS returns. The stories can be implausible and corny with clunky dialog, I don’t care. Just make me go “hmm” or make me wish I could explore the galaxy and I got my fix. It’s why I still like TOS and TNG.
Just started Discovery last night. Only one episode in. First impression, “Why you gotta do my Klingons dirty like that, what the actual fuck??”
I appreciate that it is so cinematic in style. Feels like watching some of the original movies. But goddamn with the Klingons. The discontinuity is incredibly jarring. Although I will admit I am really wanting to find out what happens next.
The klingon redesign pissed everyone off, myself included. They toned it back significantly in season 2 and the Klingons aren’t as in the forefront as they are in season 2 so it’s less noticeable.
Honestly I always considered the fist (IIRC) season of DSC to be deliberate Klingon fan service: Hours-long dialogue in Klingon, tons of warrior honour culture (and its conflict with federation ideals) and people are complaining about… hair? WTF?
The problem is that most modern trek TV shows have terrible writing. I tried so hard to like discovery
I don’t want this serialized shit.
I’ve seen 4 generations of the show, all were episodic. All of a sudden, everything is serialized. Fuck that. Give me self-contained, 43-45 minute stories I can watch in any order and not be like “wait, wtf is going on?”
DS9 and Voyager (and the new season of Lower Decks is doing it too with the mysterious ship plot) have been able to have both an overarching story line while still being episodic. Why can’t Picard or Discovery do that?
I’ll say the B-word. I’ll say it.
Babylon 5 had it perfectly figured out in the 90s.
Yeah I’m pretty sure that is what is turning me off the current shows. I don’t mind the representation, since that’s a core element of Trek and has been since the first show.
Just that the shows, especially discovery, felt very lecturing and on the nose. I don’t want literal current day talking points in space. I want to see a future where those issues have been overcome and it is normal and no big deal.
Though I may be biased because I hated the stamets character, or rather the whole engineering department.
Neurotic gay scientist who is always preoccupied with his emotional life but is also as an afterthought the smartest guy in the galaxy, featuring snarky butch lesbian wonder engineer who is preoccupied with being obnoxious kinda gets old after some episodes.
I think it’s starting to turn around.
Discovery - I stopped watching after season 2 cause I thought it was so bad
Picard - season 1-2 terrible. Season 3 pretty good
Lower Decks - all good
Strange New worlds - only watched S1, not my favorite but will definitely watch S2
Prodigy - never saw it so IDK
I think Discovery and Picard really ruined the reputation of modern Star Trek. Overall I think it’s at worst it’s average.
To each their own. I had a different experience.
I found Picard 1-2 was great fun. Haven’t seen season 3 yet.
Lower Decks is awesome. I love the myriad references.
Strange New Worlds pretty much reignited my dormant ST passion and reminded me why I loved TOS and TNG. Interesting Sci-Fi stories are the main thing I want out of Star Trek because that’s what it was all about when I was a kid watching TOS returns. The stories can be implausible and corny with clunky dialog, I don’t care. Just make me go “hmm” or make me wish I could explore the galaxy and I got my fix. It’s why I still like TOS and TNG.
Just started Discovery last night. Only one episode in. First impression, “Why you gotta do my Klingons dirty like that, what the actual fuck??”
I appreciate that it is so cinematic in style. Feels like watching some of the original movies. But goddamn with the Klingons. The discontinuity is incredibly jarring. Although I will admit I am really wanting to find out what happens next.
The klingon redesign pissed everyone off, myself included. They toned it back significantly in season 2 and the Klingons aren’t as in the forefront as they are in season 2 so it’s less noticeable.
I felt compelled to pause the show about ten seconds after they appeared just to go see if it was just me having a wtf moment.
I’m glad they at least listened to viewers at least.
(Not that it is a bad design for alien creatures and their ships… in isolation)
I seems to be in a minority that liked it.
Is everyone just ignoring the forehead thing that Klingons don’t tak about?
Honestly I always considered the fist (IIRC) season of DSC to be deliberate Klingon fan service: Hours-long dialogue in Klingon, tons of warrior honour culture (and its conflict with federation ideals) and people are complaining about… hair? WTF?
Picard is the worst offender for sure. Discovery is just the Michael Burnham show loosely set in the star trek universe.
TOS was just the Enterprise show setin the star trek universe.
Exactly, it’s a show about a ship and it’s crew, not a person.
Prodigy is good, but it’s intended for kids so the subject matter is a bit different.
My kids only one, I’ll check it out with her when she’s a bit older.
Isn’t that how almost every Star Trek show goes though? They needed a few seasons to find their footing.
Kind of but, no. Discovery just isn’t for me and I’m not planning on ever watching the rest. Are you saying that it gets better after season 2?
Picard got a new show runner after season 2. So it’s less the show getting it’s footing and more hiring better writers.
Lower Decks and SNW I’ve liked from the start.
Unless you’re looking at Nu Trek as a whole, then I guess you’re right.
That’s not failure that’s life.
Everything needs time to mature.