A Palestinian man who was detained by Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem said he has been physically abused after officers brutally beat him and branded the Star of David on his cheek, according to Israeli media reports.
And the world is supporting Israel because? It’s okay because they are Jews and if you say anything contrary you are an anti-semite and or a Nazi?
Speaking of Nazi, the nazis did the exact fucking thing to the jews. Boy how the turn tables
If anyone wrote a fictional story like this, people would call it over the top, silly, far-fetched… reality is fucking dummer than fiction I guess. Not to excuse evil, this is evil, not dumbness.
Israel is made of Israelis. Israel != Jews.
Yeah, my bad to paint all Isrealis to be all of the jewish faith.
the world is supporting Israel because?
Because historically, it was a disaster for Jews to not have their own nation, but be a (n often persecuted) minority in other countries.
Or it still is to this day, but now they have at least one more or less safe retreat on Earth. Yes, many other peoples still don’t have that.
It’s okay because
No! Police violence and abuse are NOT okay. Saying this as an atheist, anti-religious, anti-fascist from Germany.
We can and should condemn the atrocious misbehavior of the police, while still supporting the right of the Israeli nation to exist, which is tied to the basic human right of Jewish people to live.
We can and should condemn the atrocious misbehavior of the police, while still supporting the right of the Israeli nation to exist, which is tied to the basic human right of Jewish people to live.
Sure we should condemn the misbehavior of the police which is part of the state (executive), right? So we should condemn the misbehavior of the the isreal state, right?
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Yes its great what-aboutism you show. We are talking here about Isreal and the treatment of Palestinians who were there before the isrealites arrived on that land. And they are genociding them just like we (Nazi-Germany) did to them before. But we can’t condemn them for what they are doing now since they were victims of them before.
This isn’t about some cops doing some abhorrent shit to some people. This is about the continuation of the abhorrent crimes Isreal commit against Palestine!
And they are genociding them just like we (Nazi-Germany) did to them before.
This is an extremely wrong take. There are truly horrendous crimes happening in this conflict but it is not even close compared to what the nazis did in WW2. “Oversimplifications” like these are just relativizing the holocaust, nothing more.
Okay yeah you are right. Its not as concentrated as Nazi Germany did. Just more slowly.
You completely missed my point here. By making these comparisons you don’t show how cruel the current event is, you just relativize the holocaust itself.
Also where would you draw the line? Is the USA performing a holocaust on mexicans? I mean ICE separated kids from their families and locked them up somewhere near the border, “it’s almost like a nazi concentration camp”. While we’re in the US: black communities living in ghettos while being regularly mistreated by police and others? “Sounds like the Warsaw ghetto to me.” And what about LGBTQ people being persecuted, abused and killed by lynchmobs in muslim countries? “That’s basically Kristallnacht!”
Do you see what i did there? Are the things i mentioned cruel, awful and just wrong? Yes, of course. Are they somehow comparable to the darkest point in human history where murder on jews and other minorities was industrialized? Absolutely not.
The Holocaust began with bullets and conquest of the East. It wasn’t all ovens.
The holocaust began even before the war but you completely missed my point here. By making these comparisons you don’t show how cruel the current event is, you just relativize the holocaust itself.
Also where would you draw the line? Is the USA performing a holocaust on mexicans? I mean ICE separated kids from their families and locked them up somewhere near the border, “it’s almost like a nazi concentration camp”. While we’re in the US: black communities living in ghettos while being regularly mistreated by police and others? “Sounds like the Warsaw ghetto to me.” And what about LGBTQ people being persecuted, abused and killed by lynchmobs in muslim countries? “That’s basically Kristallnacht!”
Do you see what i did there? Are the things i mentioned cruel, awful and just wrong? Yes, of course. Are they somehow comparable to the darkest point in human history where murder on jews and other minorities was industrialized? Absolutely not.
It’s because they’re white.
The majority of Jews in Israel came from Europe - more than from Africa and Asia combined. They’re white settlers.
Coming from Europe doesn’t make someone white.
Okay, so being from Europe and having white skin doesn’t necessarily make them white.
Colonizing a non-white region and genociding the local population does, though.
There is a reason that white supremacists, even non religious ones, love Israel.
The fuck are you on. White supremacists hate Jews.
They sure fucking love Israel though, because the settlers love to lynch Arabs and Africans
What could be more white than stealing land from the non-white people already living there? Old school white supremacists hated Italians and Irish too, but this isn’t the 1940s.
statements of the israeli police about this:
- the victim was being arrested for drug crimes when this incident happened (not for a violent crime as far as I know).
- according to the israeli police, the cameras on the 16 officers where off because of a “technical error”.
- the extreme violence applied to the the victim by the 16 armed officers was necessary to restrain him, because he acted violently.
- the star-of-david-shaped injury was caused from the shoelaces on an officer’s shoe, which means that at some point the officer’s foot was either pressed hard against the victim’s face, or they kicked the victim’s face.
source (in hebrew, includes an image of some of the victims wounds and an image of the shoelaces)
I do find it beliveable that the star of david was unintentional (the actual shape, not the kick to the face), which of course doesn’t make this case any more justified, but it wouldn’t suprise me that much if it was intentional.
according to the israeli police, the cameras on the 16 officers where off because of a “technical error”.
what a strange coincidence.
I do find it beliveable that the star of david was unintentional
I don’t. Kicking or stepping on someone creates clear, directional injuries, not carefully placed marks with no sign of movement to some side or distortion. Especially of that person is resisting.
This injury looks to be inflicted on someone who is completely unable to move and by someone who has time and space to carefully place their branding and apply pressure for a while.
Reminder that aljazeera is a Quatari state funded media outlet that tends to sensationalize violence against Palestenians and ignore cases where organizations like Hamas perpetrate violence. this is done to support their agenda of eradicating a Jewish state on a land that is home to the Jewish people and is also a place where many Palestenians call home. Aljazeera at it’s heart is an anti-semetic organization, run by a government that does not care for Jews, and therefore their anti-zionist reporting often ventures into anti-semitism.
Violence like this is deplorable and should never happen, when it does, should be sanctioned. I do not think this source is unbiased in their reporting and does not make earnest work towards supporting peaceful outcomes in the region.
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Reminder that none of that has shit to do with them BRANDING people.
So now that multiple other sources have been provided, will you retract your statement?
Why would he? Every single thing said is still true.
If you decide to post a shitty and known to be very biased source, that’s your problem and you have to simply live with the fact the you are questioned until providing additional sources.
They actually do a very good job reporting and are highly respected.
They branded his face?! Wtf. ACAB.
I guess /r/worldnews mods have to permaban aljazeera now.
Out of luck, Lemmy is not your hasbara echo chamber, go back to https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/ if you want that.
Tankies crying about echo chambers and failing their reading comprehension. Classy.
Hey, it’s the only democracy in the middle east, whaddaya gonna do.
It’s just colonialism with a different coat of paint, huh?
