And where are you from? And how old? Not “do you” but just if you know how.
I’m in the US, mid 30s and can (and do) drive a manual transmission.
In Germany nearly everyone can drive manual. Used to be that if you didn’t learn how to drive manual in driving school, you weren’t allowed to drive manual with your license.
Prettty sure that’s still the case. I talked to a young person two weeks ago who said she’s not allowed to drive a manual transmission car.
Yes, but it used to be that you had to do the majority of lessons in a manual, now it’s reduced, you can get B197 with a few hours of manual. And then you can drive both.
B197 I just learned about “Schlüsselzahl 78” and “Schlüsselzahl 197”. Interesting. 10 lessons of 45 minutes in a manual car and a 15 minute test drive apparently.
31,Sweden
Yes, and I prefer a manual car to an automatic. It keeps me a lot more dialed in while driving.
35, living in Europe, I had to re-learn manual. I had only automatics in Latin America. It is certainly more fun and I feel I’m actually driving.
Where in Latin-America?
23, US. Yes, but I find them pointless for daily driver cars. Modern automatics are more fuel efficient and just make more sense because they’re much easier to operate and less annoying in stop and go traffic.
They’re great for off-roading and racing, but outside of those use cases automatics are just better.
They’re great for off-roading and racing, but outside of those use cases automatics are just better.
5-speeds are definitely a pain in the ass in stop and go traffic, but the benefits of driving a manual transmission goes beyond use cases. For example, manual transmissions will always be cheaper to repair and easier to diagnose than automatic ones. Similarly, basic 4-cylinder engines will always be easier to diagnose and repair than the highly complicated CVT engines in all the new automatic cars.
Note too that a 5-speed Honda civic made 20 years ago will easily get 45 mpg, simply because by the time you get to third gear, the car is light enough that you can just ride the clutch for the next 1,000 feet. My 05 manual civic ex gets around 40 mpg combined easily, and I’ll never have to worry about potentially paying a third of the car’s out the door price if the engine ever decides to self destruct. I know we’re discussing transmission and not engines, but since you brought up the newer fuel efficient automatics, it seems worth noting.
It’s all preference at the end of the day, though. I personally like how connected to the car you feel with manual transmissions, use cases/utility arguments aside. I also kinda wonder if manual drivers are less likely to crash, since it’s difficult if not impossible to be on your phone while driving.
Similarly, basic 4-cylinder engines will always be easier to diagnose and repair than the highly complicated CVT engines in all the new automatic cars.
CVT is just the transmission, it has no bearing on the engine design. OEMs use the same engine with both MT and CVT.
I mostly agree except I drive older vehicles out of warranty. Manuals last longer and are cheaper to fix so depending on what vehicle I’m buying I may look specifically for a manual if it’s a known “weak spot” for that particular vehicle.
honestly i don’t understand what makes them better for racing. can the auto not be tuned differently to prioritize speed and acceleration over fuel efficiency?
Automatic gearboxes can’t predict the road ahead, they can only react to the current RPM and speed.
Edit: just realised this posted on a completely different comment to the one I was replying to
Modern, high end race cars are automatics. Low end or lighter cars will be manual.
Modern, high end race cars are automatics.
No, they’re sequential manuals*. Unless you’re talking about drag racing, where automatics are common.
*Edit: Or they can also be sequential semi-automatics if you want to be extra pedantic. But personally I’d classify a transmission based on whether the driver has to select the desired gear, or if the computer selects the appropriate gear without driver input, because that’s the thing that matters in the end.
Okay that makes some sense to me.
Follow-up question: why don’t modern commuter cars use the paddle shifters? Why keep the cumbersome clutch-and-stick system?
It’s cheap and reliable.
Least american centric lemmy thread.
Poland. It comes by default.
I can, not well, but I can. damn hill starts.
When getting your driving license, you are supposed to know 3 so called ‘special manoeuvres’. Hill start, backwards turn and parallel parking. During your test you have to perform 2 of these (chosen by the examiner). Everyone always hopes that one of these two will be the hill start because it’s by far the easiest one.
Not sure how common it is now but some cars had a “hill holder” feature that would hold the brake for you when starting on a hill. Makes that whole process much, much easier.
Just pull the parking brake and accelerate until you feel the car slightly raising and then drop the parking brake.
Eventually you get a feeling for it and drop the parking brake before it’s “fighting” the accelerator.
This might sound trivial to some, but I know several people that never use the parking brake in these situations and instead do a manic race with their feet and the car drops a couple meters back and they over accelerate to compensate.
The parking brake method is how I learned. But I grew up here, where you are always on a hill and always in stop and go traffic. So I eventually just give up on stick shift.
Yes, this is how I do it. I also do this when reversing out of parking spaces. Because my car’s reverse requires pushing down on the stick and is close to 1st, I’ve saved myself from driving into polls a few times.
Yeah, I learned the parking brake method.
A couple meters, you say? Sounds like a great way to trash your transmission.
Mid 30s Aussie living the the US. Yes I can drive a manual, yes I do drive a manual and yes I think it should be mandatory for 100% of learning drivers regardless of whether they plan to daily drive an automatic or manual when licensed.
The quality of driving here is considerably worse here than what I’ve experienced in Australia or Europe and I’m convinced requiring people to drive in a machine that forces them to consider the next ~100m leads to higher quality, more mindful drivers.
Yes, unless you want to still have an engine, then no.
Majority of people do in Europe.
Because it is better to also know how to drive manual, than to only know how to drive automatic.
Yeah because if you only pass on an automatic that’s the only type of car you can buy.
Why limit your market? Especially if you’re buying cheap secondhand cars.
24, always driven manual, EU.
From my experience most people in the EU can or at least could: This is because many (if not all, not sure) countries make a distinction between manual and automatic licenses (see e.g. https://www.learn-automatic.com/qualified/automatic-driving-licence/).
I.e. if you want to drive manual, you have to take the test manual, but if you take the test on manual transmission, you are allowed to drive automatics as well.Yes.
In Europe you basically have to be handicapped to not learn to drive manual. Most people get the manual driving license because it allows you to drive both, whereas the automatic one doesn’t.
Manual transmission was and often still is cheaper, often cheaper to repair, often more reliable, often uses less fuel, and in cheap and less powerful cars the combination is often better. Because there are so many manual cars here, including at rental places, it’s a no brainer to learn to drive manual.
This being said, that’s changing. Also, less and less young people are getting a driving license due to affordability and cars no longer being the status symbol they once were.
In Europe you basically have to be handicapped to not learn to drive manual.
That’s changing though, I see many people taking their driving lessons in EVs, which in turn means they’ll only be able to drive automatics. I guess that won’t bother them too much as they’ll probably only want to drive EVs anyway, or else they would’ve chosen to take their lessons in a regular manual like most people
You have to be licensed to drive manual? Never heard of that in North America. Honestly I never heard it being a problem or unsafe or that it ever caused an accident. Seems like another level of regulation that serves little purpose.
New automatics have lower fuel usage than manuals.
Manuals suck so hard, they gave me one when my car broke down, and my brother in christ there is almost no benefit to it.
I can choose my own gears on my dual-clutch automatic too, and it’s better in every way to the manual.
Early 40s from Australia. I can drive a manual, but my present car is automatic. My motorcycle is manual though. :p
Female, 34, from Indiana, USA. Currently driving a 2020 Honda Civic SI and I love it. My bro taught me to drive stick at 16 so that I’d never be in a situation where I needed to leave but couldn’t because I didn’t know how to drive manual. I’ve had both automatic and manual transmissions, manual being my favorite.
Hello, fellow Hoosier Lady!
My parents forced me to learn in case I ever needed it.
I’d buy one again in a heartbeat if I could. Love the fact that it was easy AF to rock myself out of snow banks
US. I can and have. Learned on a crappy stick shift truck where I had to nudge the clutch up with my toe. Launched boats with it.
Drove drunk friend home in his stick shift car. VW because of course he did.
Swapped cars with Mom when she hurt her clutch leg. Drove stick for a summer, a little Echo that shifted nicely.
So I can and will if I need to but I have no desire to. I have never really liked cars, just used them for utility. Now that I drive hybrids I do like them more. CVT, no gears at all!
Germany, mid 30s, all the cars I’ve owned were manual so I would say - yes :D
First time I drove a rental automatic I did an accidental hard stop at about every second crossroads as I intended to hit the clutch with my left foot and lacking one just hammered the breaks instead >.>
When driving combustion I prefer manual but I’ve recently driven some EV, I could get used to that feel :)
