• Mateoto@lemmy.world
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    It’s perplexing how a nation that once liberated the world from fascism is now becoming fascist and triggering fascist movements worldwide.

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      Note that prior to getting involved in the war, there was substantial support for the Nazis among Americans. It’s always been there. It just got swept under the carpet for a few decades, though if you go back and look at the politics of the fifties, you’ll see mcarthyism and all sort of court cases on indecency and lots and lots of violence against homosexuals.

      I don’t think I spelled mcarthyism correctly. It’s early and I’m not inclined to bother spell checking.

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        It should also be noted that Adolf Hitler based some of his ideology off of the proto-fascism of pre-Civil War America (and the deep racial inequalities which persisted afterwards), and praised it his book Mein Kamph.

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          Yeah, I’m absolutely not perplexed by American fascism in the slightest.

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          I think we can also show we didn’t do what people think what we did when we look at things on a time line.

          WW2 ended in 1945.

          Emmett Till was murdered in 55. 10 years later. Ruby Bridges went to what was an all white school in 1960. That was 15 years later. The Civil Rights Act happened in 1964. 19 years later. The MOVE Bombing happened in 85. 40 years later.

          The Stonewall Riots happened in 69. 24 years later. The UpStairs Lounge Arson attack happened in 73. Which was 28 years later. Harvey Milk was assassinated in 78. 33 years later. The Shelby bookstore murders happened in 87. So 42 years after.

          We can sit here and list different events all day that happened after the war. We were the good guys off fighting evil, and those soldiers would totally hate the bigotry we see today… Except there’s a good chance that tbe vast majority of them weren’t any better. Even the black soldiers still weren’t allowed to fight with the white ones. We were fighting fascism over there while it was still happening over here.

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      Stopping fascism wasn’t the point. After liberating the camps, they even threw the homosexuals right back in. (Source)

      They were just worried that the USSR was going to beat them to Berlin, and then keep going across the entirety of Europe. Likely a valid concern, to be fair.

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      a nation that once liberated the world from fascism

      It’s gross how USAins keep parroting this nationalistic bullshit about their role in ww2.

      You guys didn’t liberate anything by showing up late for the war, and you tried your damnedest to spread your abhorrent racism in every country you landed in.

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        Yeah, nah. You had it right up until we didnt help liberate anything. France seemed pretty appreciative of our help then and now. Not arguing the “abhorrent racism” par it is true and we’re continually working on it. Generational issues don’t get solved overnight.

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        As a person of Dutch descent who is alive today because US GIs liberated a concentration camp right before my grandmother starved to death, this is extremely offensive, and you can go fuck yourself with your puerile contrarianism.

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          Shutting down a few concentration camps is not ‘liberating the world from fascism’.

          My grandparents and their families were in the camps too, and most didn’t come out alive. I’m not detracting from the atrocities of ww2 by telling the American to stop spouting propaganda.

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          Go fuck yourself with your revisionist agenda. The fact remains that Russians were the ones who liberated the world from Nazism, and they are doing the same today. You hate Russia commonly on every political Lemmy thread, so you want to spread your alternate dimension agenda.

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        USA and western colonialist powers waited till the last moment to see if Hitler could push back against USSR, and sort out his weaponry management. Reich failed against USSR’s might, and Allies came in to suddenly help. However, the real motives got revealed quickly.

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      While a romantic prose, I wouldn’t go saying they liberated the world of anything like that until it was almost too late.

      But when they finally did fight, fuck yeah, they fought.

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      Its perplexing how Anglo people keep trying to rewrite history about the eradication of Nazism. Russia and China suffered a combined total of over 50 million deaths to eradicate Nazism, only for the leftover Nazis to evacuate to USA under the Operation Paperclip, and some remaining within Europe, going on to…

      Its almost like neofascist revisionists exist among us!

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        Speaking of revisionism, saying the Kuomintang (because the CCP didn’t do shit in that war), helped eradicate Nazism when they solely fought Japan while also pretending the Soviets didn’t steal all the scientists they could find is pretty up there as well.

        Their version was called Operation Osoaviakhim btw.

        And it took about 1,000 more specialists than Paperclip did. 2500 compared to 1600.

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          Kuomintang helped eradicate what? Do you even fucking know when WW2 happened? Do you know that KMT was driven away to Formosa, what you people today call Taiwan (ROC province of China)? Kuomintang was led by a Japanese fascist dictator called Chiang Kai-Shek. You do not even understand how KMT worked. KMT did not exist in mainland after the CPC won in 1910s.

          People like you are not scholars or enthusiasts, but intellectually dishonest revisionists.

          Edit: I now understand what you mean by Operation Osoaviakhim, repeating that same old anti-communist nonsense that Nazi Germany and Soviet communists were friends because of some wartime complications (Soviet occupation areas during 1946 in the post-defeat Nazi Germany and Berlin). You are even worse.

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      It’s perplexing how people once liberated from nazism act like nazi and get litterally a wild card.