Sorry, what’s .Net again?
The runtime? You mean .Net, or .Net Core, or .Net Framework? Oh, you mean a web framework in .Net. Was that Asp.Net or AspNetcore?
Remind me why we let the “Can’t call it Windows 9” company design our enterprise language?
Can’t call it Windows 9
But that actually made sense! They care about backwards compatibility.
For those not in the know: some legacy software checked if the OS name began with “Windows 9” to differentiate between 95 and future versions.
The reason they checked that it started with “Windows 9” was because it worked for “Windows 95” and “Windows 98”
some legacy software checked if the OS name began with “Windows 9” to differentiate between 95 and future versions.
This is a myth. Windows doesn’t even have an API to give you the marketing name of the OS. Internally, Windows 95 is version 4.0 and Windows 98 is 4.1. The API to get the version returns the major and minor version separately, so to check for Windows 95 you’d check if majorVersion = 4 and minorVersion = 0.
Edit: This is the return type from the API: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-osversioninfoexa
Maybe it’s a myth, but it sure sounds plausible. The software that checks the “Windows 9” substring doesn’t even have to exist for this to be reason they chose to skip to version 10 — they just had to be concerned that it might exist.
Sure, maybe there’s no C function that returns the string, but there’s a
vercommand. It would be trivial to shell out to the command. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ver_(command)This doesn’t prove anything, but there are a TON of examples of code that checks for the substring. It’s not hard to imagine that code written circa 2000 would not be future proof. https://sourcegraph.com/search?q=context:global+“\“windows+9\””&patternType=keyword&sm=0
but there are a TON of examples of code that checks for the substring
oh
oh no
There’s code in the JDK that does that??
I really wish I didn’t see that.
Yup!! Never look under the hood in software, you’ll just be disappointed ☹️
I’ve been a software developer for 20 years and this comment is too real. Some days I’m amazed that any software even works at all.
Having worked in both food service and software, I encourage you not to visit the kitchen of any restaurants you enjoy either.
It makes sense why they did it, but their messed up versioning was the cause to begin with. You should always assume Devs will cut corners in inappropriate ways.
They’ll cut corners the more the shittier APIs and ABIs you provide
The API is fine. It returns the internal version number (which is 4.0 for Windows 95), not a string. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-osversioninfoexa. There’s no built-in API that returns “Windows 95” as a string.
Strange argument… how does that prevent checks versus Windows 7, 8 and 1* all of which would be less than 9.
Because it checks if the version starts with the string “Windows 9*”, not wether the number is less than 9.
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Say whatever you want about Microsoft, but they don’t mess around with backwards compatibility.
It’s easy to be backwards compatible when you’re backwards in general.
I once heard some YouTuber say Windows uses \ in path names instead of / like everyone else because Microsoft thinks backwards.
As what often happens, using
\for paths is for backwards compatibility.Neither CP/M nor MS-DOS 1.0 had folders. When folders were added in MS-DOS 2.0, the syntax had to be backwards compatible. DOS already used forward slashes for command-line options (e.g.
DIR /W) so using them for folders would have been ambiguous - does thatDIRcommand have a/Woption, or is it viewing the contents of theWdirectory at the root of the drive? Backslashes weren’t used for anything so they used them for folders.This is the same reason why you can’t create files with device names like
con,lpt1, and so on. DOS 2.0 has to retain backwards compatibility with 1.0 where you could do something likeTYPE foo.txt > LPT1to send a document to a printer. The device names are reserved globally so they can work regardless of what folder you’re in.
Well, better to be backwards with backwards compatibility than to just be backwards.
looks at Apple
I really don’t think it’s that bad. The only weird thing is .NET Core becoming just .NET in version 5.
Not too weird… It’s the “one true .NET version” now. The legacy .NET Framework had a good run but it’s not really receiving updates any more.
I have no complaints about just calling it .NET. The distinction between .NET and .NET Framework isn’t much of a problem. It’s the fact that .NET and .NET Core aren’t actually different that’s odd. It underwent a name change without really being a different project, meanwhile the Framework -> Core change was actually a new project.
Actually they are different.
.Net core, mono and xamarin used to be completely separate and slightly incompatible runtimes.
They have all been unified under .Net so c# (and other .net languages) will run exactly the same on each.
So the coreclr runtime still exists but you no longer need to target it specifically.
.Net is both the umbrella term for the entire ecosystem and the new runtime haha
Microsoft is so bad at naming things!
.net core is not a thing anymore in case somebody it’s not aware, now is just .net. (unless you use really old version of course).
But it’s still the core lol
Well the repo link yes… create a new repo and migrate everything… just so the url doesn’t say core no more it’s quite unnecessary.
And to be honest actual code is currently under https://github.com/dotnet/dotnet The other links is just for news and docs currently.
I agree, it was mostly a joke. But as the parent commenter explained, “.net is now dot net” is still confusing. They really should just cut ties with the .net name and start fresh. “.net is now MS Interop Framework” or some such. Adopt more sane server versioning moving forward, so searching for information isn’t so wild across all the possible variations and versions of .net, dot net core, dot net framework, asp.net, etc
I scream silently everytime.
May I introduce you to Usb 3.x renaming?
3.0, 3.1Gen1, 3.2Gen1, 3.2Gen1x1 are the 5Gbps version.
3.1Gen2, 3.2Gen2, 3.2Gen1x2, 3.2Gen2x1 are the 10Gbps version.
Given that .net was a TLD long before the framework came out, it was a stupid thing to name it. Caused confusion and the inability to Google things right away.
Microsoft names many things stupidly.
Fuck you forever SQLServer. Transact was perfectly googleable.
wasn’t it originally idiotically named “SQL/Server”?
And renames a random product every month, following a restructuring it’s licensing
Yeah Microsoft Entra is the latest one. Azure AD had such huge brand recognition and they just dropped it lol
At least they don’t control the most popular code hosting site along with the most popular code editing software, right? Right?
Microsoft Azure Blob
(Yes it’s a real product they market)
I mean, blob (and object storage in general) has been used as a term for a long time. It isn’t particularly new, and MS didn’t invent it.
That’s sort of the problem. It’s easy to Google S3 since it’s a distinct (if obnoxiously short) term. Blob is already an overloaded term.
An example of a great name from Microsoft is Excel, it’s relatively short but meaningless so if you Google “Excel Sum” you’ll get wonderful results… “Blob Get” is going to get you a lot of random stuff.
Edit: the top result for blob get is accurate on Google but you’ll also quickly see this result from that site we all hate:
Need help! How do I get the blob fish, basking shark and dwarf whale?
It’s like naming your company x
Ok, but we all should admit: .net is a terrible name.
And then there’s .net classic and .net core. Making up two entirely separate names shouldn’t be difficult for marketing executives.
.NET Core doesn’t exist any more. It’s just .NET now. I think that changed around the release of .NET 5?
The classic version is mostly legacy at this point too.
My workplace insists on using dot net classic to recreate a twenty years old VB app that should be able to drink, vote, and drive.
Please send help. SQL queries are a spaghetti mess and all the original devs are probably gone or dead.
Just because it’s no longer supported doesn’t mean there’s not some poor intern refactoring spaghetti backend in a basement somewhere using it.
Sure, but you can still find plenty of info on it by searching for .NET Framework or .NET 4.6. All the documentation is still available. Its just not in the spotlight any more.
It is very much still supported and will be for a very long time.
You just shouldn’t start any new products using it.
No, you’ll need to contact Kim Dotcom. I am merely Kim Dotnet.
I can’t even remember what dumb shit Trump was showing this guy.
It was an interview with Jonathan Swan about COVID-19 where Trump had a bunch of papers with graphs trying to show that the US was doing well with cases. The paper he handed over showed the rates of deaths per case (though Trump didn’t seem to understand the graph), and Swan was asking him about the high rate of deaths in the US when looking at the total population of the country.
Man, if the media was worth a damn it could absolutely bury Trump in negative campaign ads. It’s one thing to run a single valid negative campaign ad. With Trump you could collect them like fucking pokemon.
“They are dying; it is what it is.”
Easily hits one of the 10 things you do not want to hear the president of your country say.
Man it is HARD to believe this jabbering orangesicle was ever the president of the fucking United States
And is a threat to be president yet again. God I hope not.
